Rev. Franklin Graham

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Brack wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 1:05 am
Last January, Franklin Graham compared the 10 GOP House members who voted to Impeach Trump to Judas Iscariot. It was a very dumb statement from him. But I am happy that Graham is willing to move on from the election, and that he got the Moderna COVID vaccine. I also got the Moderna COVID vaccine.
And you see, what he said there I find completely repulsive. In my eyes, he crossed a serious line.

It's kind of like this for me. My former now deceased pastor during all of my growing up years, never once commented publicly. Not once. Not ever. Pray for peace? Sure. Pray for a fallen world? Sure. But his main objective was to teach directly from the Bible with no theatrics, and bring people to Christ.

Period.

His son is on Facebook. I grew up with him and his sisters. Truly, their mother watched me after school until I was old enough to be a latch key kid and watch myself. I knew this family at church and home. Basically lived with them in a way. Church was my second home. They essentially took part in raising me. I was friends with his sister until I got married and left home. All my growing up years, I knew this family publicly and privately. NO political talk ever inside the church or outside. I am sure he and his wife had political discussions privately. But they did not bring any of that into church and no hint of it in their home. NONE.

His son (a business man) posts political stuff all over his Facebook. Trump type stuff. Far right type stuff. His sister is married to a preacher. HE posts political stuff on his Facebook. Same thing...far right. I honestly think that their father would disapprove.

If you look at my Facebook there are zero political posts. ZERO. Why? Because I don't want to influence anyone nor do I want to make my family and friends (near and far) feel uncomfortable because they do not share my political leanings. The closest I ever came to anything political was probably posting quotes from Dr. King.

Let me address Dr. King. Where I think Billy Graham felt called by God to preach the Gospel and he did, I think that Dr. King believed he was called by God to the civil rights movement. Dr. King had the Biblical knowledge, the Black experience, the education and the charisma to do what he did. He chose passive resistance. In my mind, he looked to the nature of Christ. He spoke out, he protested peacefully. Nothing makes me think differently of either man who felt their calling was from God.

The Bible warns against certain things. Some of which are found in Paul's Catalog of Sins or also referred to as Vices. Here are the 7 deadly sins that Paul warned against. Pulling these off the Internet.

Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Do NOT tell me that we don't see those that I bolded aren't present in many of today's politicians. Trump alone ticks off all the boxes.

What about lying, theft, and idolatry? Are those not present in many of today's politicians?

So this is my thinking. When it comes to presidential candidates, we're hiring someone for a job, and we're faced with a choice of candidates. We vote, we hire, we see the end result of our vote whether the newly minted President meets or fails to meet our expectations. Then go from there. Kind of like giving Caesar (the state/country) his due.

I don't think that any Christian should hitch their public wagon to any politician. I don't think that any Christian should be promoting a political candidate publicly. I don't think any Christian should be wearing things like campaign hats or use bumper stickers (whatever stuff) because it amounts to idolatry.

Which is what we are seeing in terms of Trump's standing with the GOP as I type this out.

Call me crazy. Call me old school. I positively hate it when I see EV's or any other high profile religious leaders or pastors preaching from the pulpit, promoting a political candidate or ideology.

We're supposed to hitch our wagon to Jesus Christ, not place our trust in one man. Bible says that as well. Taking that further, I believe that our vote is between our conscience and God. That we are not to promote any man nor try to influence others or intimidate others into promoting any man.

Period.

So when I see Franklin Graham promoting the LIE that is Trump, I see him as engaging in idolatry and placing his trust in man, not Jesus. Is he not kissing the ring? A Christian is kissing the ring? Are you kidding me? As for issues, I think the Bible covers probably all issues and so long as preachers or religious leaders are teaching directly from the Bible, not putting their theatrical or political spin on it, then any Christian who has a Bible to open and examine, can easily sort out issues for themselves, though I will admit there are some issues that are very difficult to sort.

Period.

If anyone thinks my thinking is flawed, feel free to challenge me. I don't care if anyone does.

K, I feel better now that's out of my gut.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:53 pm
Not looking for lengthy discussion. I guess just a chance to express my own ideas about Frankly Graham whose ministries do so much good but in this area...
I am curious what you could be referring to as to what area Graham's ministries "do so much good".
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Nomomo wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 8:39 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:53 pm
Not looking for lengthy discussion. I guess just a chance to express my own ideas about Frankly Graham whose ministries do so much good but in this area...
I am curious what you could be referring to as to what area Graham's ministries "do so much good".
Smaritan's Purse is a good and highly visible ministry.
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So this is my thinking. When it comes to presidential candidates, we're hiring someone for a job, and we're faced with a choice of candidates. We vote, we hire, we see the end result of our vote whether the newly minted the President meets or fails to meet our expectations. Then go from there. Kind of like giving Caesar (the state/country) his due.

I don't think that any Christian should hitch their public wagon to any politician. I don't think that any Christian should be promoting a political candidate publicly. I don't think any Christian should be wearing things like campaign hats or use bumper stickers (whatever stuff) because it amounts to idolatry.

Which is what we are seeing in terms of Trump's standing with the GOP as I type this out.

Call me crazy. Call me old school. I positively hate it when I see EV's or any other high profile religious leaders or pastors preaching from the pulpit, promoting a political candidate or ideology.

We're supposed to hitch our wagon to Jesus Christ, not place our trust in one man. Bible says that as well. Taking that further, I believe that our vote is between our conscience and God. That we are not to promote any man nor try to influence others or intimidate others into promoting any man.


I completely agree with this, Jersey.
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Brack wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 6:50 pm
So this is my thinking. When it comes to presidential candidates, we're hiring someone for a job, and we're faced with a choice of candidates. We vote, we hire, we see the end result of our vote whether the newly minted the President meets or fails to meet our expectations. Then go from there. Kind of like giving Caesar (the state/country) his due.

I don't think that any Christian should hitch their public wagon to any politician. I don't think that any Christian should be promoting a political candidate publicly. I don't think any Christian should be wearing things like campaign hats or use bumper stickers (whatever stuff) because it amounts to idolatry.

Which is what we are seeing in terms of Trump's standing with the GOP as I type this out.

Call me crazy. Call me old school. I positively hate it when I see EV's or any other high profile religious leaders or pastors preaching from the pulpit, promoting a political candidate or ideology.

We're supposed to hitch our wagon to Jesus Christ, not place our trust in one man. Bible says that as well. Taking that further, I believe that our vote is between our conscience and God. That we are not to promote any man nor try to influence others or intimidate others into promoting any man.


I completely agree with this, Jersey.
Do you really? Well hopefully I explained myself as to make myself understood. I find this crossing of boundaries or meshing of religion and politics to be both dangerous and un-Biblical. It's very cultish if you ask me.
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The reduction sauce of all religion is kindness.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 7:30 am
The reduction sauce of all religion is kindness.
Yes! This is the baby that must not be thrown out with the bathwater. Most everything else in religion is mere chaff or commentary by comparison.

Leviticus 19:18
Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against any of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.

Galations 5:14, New International Version
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Quote by Rabbi Hillel: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to another. That is the whole Law. The rest is commentary. Now go and learn.”
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
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Yes, and this couldn't possibly BE more crystal clear.

Matthew 22 (KJV)
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


So think about that in terms of vaccines, just for one thing. Think about the number of people who refuse to get vaccinated. Is that loving thy neighbor as thyself? What about the insurrection that was precipitated by Trump's tough posturing words? Was that loving thy neighbor? What about Trump's consistent record of lying through his teeth? What are his fruits?

This guy has displayed his corrupt nature in front of God and everybody, and the Evangelical community at-large trusts him? Idolizes him? I'll give them the vote they cast in the first election, but the second one? The second one after he showed everyone for four long years, just exactly who he is and continues to lie through his teeth to this very day?

Are you kidding me?

Well, I will tell you what. The freaking Anti-Christ (if there is such a being) could pass in front of them every day of their lives and they wouldn't even bat an eye.

I am NOT suggesting that Trump is the Anti-Christ but...is he anti-Christ? Yes, I think so. I think I can judge his 'fruits' as rotten and corrosive.

He's done nothing BUT cause confusion and discord. He has, in fact, caused death. The Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. Wake up EVS! Wake up!
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I guess Jersey Girl needs a preacher like the Reverend Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, Raphael Warnick or Louis Farrakhan for loving people who stick to the Bible and stay in their lanes. By their fruits ye shall know them.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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I think this song fits the spirit of the thread.

Jackson Browne performs "The Rebel Jesus"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQPuIswwO2A
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