The First Plastic First Family

[_Jersey Girl]

Another

I think Elizabeth Hurley is the only example I know of where it actually improved.

Before I tackle your long list of blatantly misogynist remarks about Melania Trump, I'd just like to take a moment to tell you that a person's (male or female) cosmetic surgical outcome isn't your bloody business. Whatever attributes appeal to you personally, have not a thing to do with their cosmetic goals and it isn't your place to judge the outcome.

Additionally, I request that you post a shirtless photo of yourself on this thread so that we can all score your six pack and whatever else we find noteworthy of scoring with regards to your "total package" and see how you like being evaluated and ranked like a piece of meat. A swim suit photo would be great. How about it?

[_Jersey Girl]

We all know about Donald's fake hair, but holy crap, I had no idea really about what Melania looked like before all her surgery....

Hey, ya wanna score this one too while you're at it?

[_Some Schmo]

...I'd just like to take a moment to tell you that a person's (male or female) cosmetic surgical outcome isn't your bloody business. Whatever attributes appeal to you personally, have not a thing to do with their cosmetic goals and it isn't your place to judge the outcome.

Ridiculous.

Why does a person have cosmetic surgery if not for the opinion of others? If you do it, you open yourself up to the judgment of others, based on the perceived goals of the procedure itself. That's human nature.

[_Jersey Girl]

Not villainous, villainess. Based on this double super secret intelligence received from Moose and Squirrel.

I'm working on something over here. Don't interrupt my train of thought, it can derail quite nicely on it's own.

Thank you Boris, dahlink.
;-)

[_Some Schmo]

The word snowflake must be your trigger Schmo. If you think citizens being armed and willing to defend themselves and others idiotic, I doubt I'll change your mind. I truly hope you, nor anyone else ever has to be in that situation to prove it one way or the other.

You can call me or anyone else snowflake to your heart's content. You may be overusing it lately because I brought it up, or because you think it's a particularly good zinger. Neither matters. It's just something mildly amusing I'd noticed from right-wing loyalists lately, that's all. Nothing like group-think, right?

As for defending yourself, while I understand the sentiment, I don't think it works practically. I don't think your average untrained schmo carrying a gun into a deadly situation is going to suddenly turn into Rambo and control the situation. In my estimation, most people would make it worse.

I mean, SWAT teams and special ops are trained for a reason.

[_Jersey Girl]

Comparing Michelle to a Gorilla is hardly the same thing as criticizing Melania for her behavior and choices. Is this really difficult to understand?

What behavior and choices are you talking about here? Sounds great on paper, Kev, but none of the female slurs and insults (don't worry, I'll make a list of them for you) have anything to do with behavior and choices. They have to do with disrespecting females.

Sure she is probably a nice lady, I don't really know.

You're exactly right, you don't know.

What I do know is that she is basically his trophy Stepford wife.

First insult. No examples, just a gratuitous insult. So noted.

She isn't particularly intelligent,

How long have you known her?

she isn't well spoken,

Translation: speaks with an accent.

even worse she appears to be programmed.

She repeats whatever he tells her to say.

Your evidence?

She makes excuses for him being a sexual predator, etc.

Quote her.

She has been busted for saying verbatim the same exact things in all her interviews like a programmed robot.

Is she saying the same things in response to the same questions?

In short, she is an embarrassment to women and poor example to our children.

So if she brings awareness and tries to snuff out cyber bullying particularly of children, women should be embarrassed and children, god help the children, right? What about all the charitable causes she has supported over the years, I mean, are those embarrassing and poor examples to women and children?

Why do you think that women and children need you to tell them what to be embarrassed about?

Personally, if she manages to put a dent in cyberbullying, particularly of minor children, I'm right behind her. I'm sure that not only has she felt the sting of her own son being cyberbullied (latest being the SNL writer's crank comments) but has seen the news of cyberbullying (and other forms of bullying) related suicides over the years just like I have.

Melania perhaps more than anyone, helped normalize Trump's behavior. She doesn't get a pass for that, at least not from me.

Sexual assault? No, that's just "locker room talk." Trying to have sex with married women while married to me? Well, "I don't approve."

She strikes me as someone who has really no brain and will do and say whatever is necessary to protect her 24k gilded lifestyle.

So what you're basically saying is that she's a brainless prostitute. How close am I?

Here comes the pivot.

I'm not being distracted by anything. I was just curious what she looked like before they got married and ran across those pics after googling. It wasn't from watching news or reading the tabloids.

Nonsense. You don't get a pass for finding this stuff online instead of the supermarket checkout, buddy.

I'm just overwhelmed by the hypocrisy displayed by the Republicans who for 8 years attacked Michelle in the worst ways when she was an elegant, highly intelligent woman who was a great example for our children to look up to.

Cry me a river. You dug up photos of BOTH Melania and Ivanka (not discussing Ivanka for some reason and yet her pic appears in the OP) to take shallow digs at them.

Melania is the quintessential bimbo who doesn't appear to have a single original thought of her own. She struggled to form coherent sentences in English and looks like a scared puppy.

I said shallow already didn't I? Okay, good.

I feel bad for her being married to a pig who probably mistreats her, but at the same time she made her own choices. But we're all supposed to ignore all of this because she looks hot in a bikini?

How noble that you pity the poor bimbo! I mean the poor pitiful bimbo that looks hot in a bikini.

My mistake. I didn't mean to overlook your innate charitable nature. Please forgive.

And she deserves it because of choices she's made? Really? Sounds too much like "she deserved to get raped because she chose to wear slutty clothes."

Oh ok, so you're going to be one of those kinds of idiots.

Yes. What kind of idiot are you going to be?

Oh wait. You already chose.

[_Kevin Graham]

Wow, what a social warrior Kevin is.

"Just think of what the children will think when they see a beautiful first lady!"

I can tell you with almost certainty, that the First Lady (no matter who she is) will have practically ZERO influence on some child's life. ZERO! Unless she messes with school lunches like Michelle did. That is the only thing I've ever heard a child say with reference to a First Lady - she was responsible for the largest waste of food in the school system EVER, by pushing a program what forced kids to take food they hated, which they then proceeded to throw away. That is the hallmark of a liberal program. All heart and purpose with a large does of "we know better than you" - with horrible execution.

Just think of the children!

Then you're not a parent and/or just very ignorant. My 12 year old daughter has become a huge fan of Michelle Obama over the past few years. Now she hears things on the bus about the new first lady. You know, things like posing nude. And when my daughter asks me about it I have to look her in the eye and tell her the truth.

Michelle Obama has inspired young women around the country and I keep hearing "Oh give Melania a chance to do something." Well, she has already done plenty as far as setting an example. Leave it to a Trump supporter to mock the idea that the First Family is supposed to set an example of any kind.

That leads me to wonder, what does pointing out GOP hypocrisy get us, other than a sense of moral superiority that certainly doesn't help us win elections? I'm beginning to think that the whole hypocrisy issue is a red herring for Democrats.

Well, I really don't give a fuq if you understand it at all. Pointing out hypocrisy is a powerful tool for swaying minds. It is far more effective than anything you're doing. It is one of the things that caused me to sit back and engage in self reflection before I moved away from Conservatism and Mormonism. You have millions of people preaching Christian values and then they gleefully support the worst example of those values after spending years attacking the Obama's based on nothing more than accusations that they're Muslims, Kenyans, Communists, etc. Yes, there is power in pointing this out to them even if none of them act like it has an affect on them immediately.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

For what it's worth my two daughters gave less than two craps about the First Lady. They seemed to be interested in pop culture and their friends, though.

- Doc

[_Res Ipsa]

That leads me to wonder, what does pointing out GOP hypocrisy get us, other than a sense of moral superiority that certainly doesn't help us win elections? I'm beginning to think that the whole hypocrisy issue is a red herring for Democrats.

Well, I really don't give a fuq if you understand it at all. Pointing out hypocrisy is a powerful tool for swaying minds. It is far more effective than anything you're doing. It is one of the things that caused me to sit back and engage in self reflection before I moved away from Conservatism and Mormonism. You have millions of people preaching Christian values and then they gleefully support the worst example of those values after spending years attacking the Obama's based on nothing more than accusations that they're Muslims, Kenyans, Communists, etc. Yes, there is power in pointing this out to them even if none of them act like it has an affect on them immediately.

CFR on accusing people of hypocrisy being a powerful tool for swaying minds. I mean, it's not like no one studies how to persuade people to change their minds.

For what it's worth my two daughters gave less than two craps about the First Lady. They seemed to be interested in pop culture and their friends, though.

- Doc

Good for them. But they are a non-random sample of two, right?

[_Kevin Graham]

Yes. What kind of idiot are you going to be?

Oh wait. You already chose.

Hey don't get mad at me because you're stupid enough to believe misogyny applies every time someone a female is criticized.

I'm not taking you by the hand and walking you through your abject ignorance on your essay long phrase by phrase response to things people who have paid any amount of attention to Melania Trump's interviews already know. She is programmed to say whatever her sugar daddy demands of her. She has been busted reading from a script verbatim in multiple interviews while scanning side to side to find the teleprompter. She had the opportune moment to show she was her own woman when she heard her husband on tape admitting to sexual assault and admitting to wanting to commit adultery. She could have stood up to him and no one, even Trump, could have blamed her. But because he said it was all joshing locker room talk, she bowed down and did his bidding. Ran to the media and repeated the same BS:

Melania Trump Defends Donald, Blames Billy Bush for ‘Locker Room Talk'

Melania Laughingly Defends Trump for Attacking Women and Immigrants

So I really don't know who is dumber. Melania, for expecting Americans to buy this nonsense or the Americans like you who apparently think she should be shielded from all criticism simply because she's a woman. Because any criticism can only come from misogynists right?