Will VA be like Florida or PA?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

So, you can’t show where critical race theory is being taught in Virginia schools, specifically Loudon county. Show me three schools in Virginia that are teaching critical race theory.

- Doc

Perhaps they're not teaching critical race theory as you choose to define it. It doesn't matter what I think anyway. The anti white narrative the left seeks to drum into the heads of grade schoolers has been around for a long time. Perhaps the shutdown permitted more Virginia parents/voters to see it than in the past. I don't know. But something changed the voters minds. The usual trick of trotting out Barack Obama and saying anyone who points out that the left is pushing a radical socialist agenda is a racist didn't work this time. I don't think it's going to work in 2022 either.

Ok, so you were full of crap claiming ‘they’ were teaching critical race theory.

- Doc

[ajax18]

Ok, so you were full of crap claiming ‘they’ were teaching critical race theory.

- Doc

Look I already posted the memo in which McCaullife supports critical race theory as the ideal curriculum. If you don't agree that this was critical race theory than fine, you win. Whatever you want to call it, one truth remains and that is a large number of people who were previously voting Democrat decided they didn't like the narrative that the liberal left was drumming into the heads of their kids. Now the question for centrists like yourself is can you get control of people like Icarus in time to salvage anything in 2022? Because what you're doing right now isn't working. Doubling down on the idea that parents have no right to influence the curriculum as McCauliffe and Obama did saw your party lose the governorship in a state you won by a full 10 percentage points in 2020.

I wouldn't say playing the race card or even voter fraud is dead. But this time, it wasn't enough.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

[Cultellus]

The good news is that what we think does not matter. Well, except for Atlanticmike who voted in VA. And even then, what he thinks does not matter, only his vote mattered.

Bill Maher said in one of his rants that McAuliffe was in trouble because, you know, parents vote. And parents don't like being bossed around and having the parenting part of parenting hijacked. It will never really matter if critical race theory is taught in VA or not, or whether it was taught in VA or not. One party fought to keep the lords' hands off them and their kids, and one side said the lords never did that but if they did, that would be fine and if they do and you do not like it, you are a racist.

And all this arguing and carrying on about how the Republicans are racist and believed the WSJ and FOX or whatever is nonsense. McAuliffe and every other Democrat lost because they acted like ding dongs yammering about nonsense and fewer democrats showed up to vote for them. This is exactly what the Hillary campaign should have taught people about insulting your base, or ignoring your base, or acting like an entitled pretentious prick and pissing your base off.

I mean damn goddamn. If one of the longest-lasting Democrat President primary candidates says you lost parents and that the loss by the Democrats was awesome, then it was clearly not whistles, racists and republicans that swung the margins, it was democrats who did not impress their base or the centrists.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here’s the problem as I see with regard to critical race theory. critical race theory, as we’re hearing about it today, is a new wedge issue created by Republicans to galvanize voters. No matter how much you tell their base “critical race theory isn’t being taught in K-12 schools”, it doesn’t matter, because simply talking about race at all is what’s being called critical race theory. They’ve framed any racial discussion as telling white kids that they are inherently evil, and also that those racial discussions are “critical race theory”; that gets parents up in arms and they now want “critical race theory banned”.

Don’t believe me? This is the guy who gamed the issue:



The real genius move lately was turning this into a “parents rights” issue, and what they want their kids learning in school. It makes it seem like Demonrat school districts are ignoring the parents when they complain about critical race theory being taught to their 5-year-old because Democrats tell them that its just made up nonsense. How dare they tell me they aren’t teaching critical race theory in their school district! www.bumblefuck.gop.com tells me white 3rd graders are being taught they’re evil! A mother told me her 6-year-old came home crying because they said the KKK wasn’t a human rights organization!

Anyway. You’re going to vote for Republicans when your perception has become your reality and you want “critical race theory banned” while the Democrat is telling you this isn’t an actual issue. How dare they tell me what I know!

- Doc

[Cultellus]

Doc Cam. I disagree with minor points, I do not disagree with the general argument you are making here. Hear me out though. Again, I generally agree.

I think it is important to put the critical race theory crusade or branding reclamation in context. The environment for this move that you describe includes a movement of declaring every goddamn thing ever to exist as racist. We cancelled syrup and toys and old movies and any damn thing we could because it was racist. I see the events you describe in your post as a reaction to that environment, not the trigger. Or, said another way, if someone made your argument, and someone else said that the critical race theory fight was to offset the racism accusations and protect children from being inundated with this racism is in the water movement, I would understand both sides.

I do not feel loyal to either of those sides or arguments. They both seem extreme as hell to me. There has to be something centered or less extreme. I don't feel the need to fight like hell for this cause. But, I do not have toddlers and school-aged children. If I did, AND THIS WAS LOCAL, I may feel differently.

ETA: The position the left is taking here may be a good one, but that does not make it a winning one. See VA.

[ajax18]

But, I do not have toddlers and school-aged children. If I did, AND THIS WAS LOCAL, I may feel differently.

A big takeaway from this election for Republicans is that the culture wars do matter and they can be a winning issue for Republicans. One of Andrew Breitbart's most important lesson is encapsulated in the quote, "Politics is downstream from culture." It's not that I personally think culture wars are more important than tax rates but most people do. When parents saw what public education was doing in their efforts to indoctrinate young kids with the 1619 project, required reading like Ibram Kenadi's antiracist baby, etc. many people awoke politically and got out to vote. Even more dangerous for Democrats was that sending in actors from the Lincoln project wearing confederate flags in an effort to brand Youngkin a racist backfired. Democrats might actually have to debate economic issues instead of just saying anyone who disagrees with Democratic Socialism is racist.

[Cultellus]

"What went wrong is just stupid wokeness. Don't just look at Virginia and New Jersey. Look at Long Island, look at Buffalo, look at Minneapolis, even look at Seattle, Wash. I mean, this 'defund the police' lunacy, this take Abraham Lincoln's name off of schools. I mean that — people see that," Carville said.

"It's just really — has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats. Some of these people need to go to a 'woke' detox center or something," he added. "They're expressing a language that people just don't use, and there's backlash and a frustration at that."

https://youtu.be/-N6NAGlGBZA (This is from your left-wing PBS stuff)

I will keep saying this over, and over, and over again. People are sick of this stupid ass woke nonsense. This left-wing nonsense, as Carville calls it, is just not working. It is not popular. You are not popular. "People do not want to ride in a car with you. They do not want to share the subway with you." He is talking to you, Gad, Chap, Schmo, etc. And also to my sock puppet, K Graham. This woke stuff is great in a Twitter or message board silo, but it lands as hatred, bigotry and nonsense in the real world. Do not take my word for it, listen to one of the experts in blending populism with liberal policy.

And... for all you woke ass critics on here. Perhaps you can stop pretending that people who reject your woke ass crap are right wing, QAnon, or Trumpists. Carville just broke one off in your collective arse. Do you think he is a Trumpist, QAnon, Right-wing, 4Chan subscriber? I don't. He is saying EXACTLY what I have been telling you for months. The rejection of your wokeness is not because of Q and Trump. The rejection of your wokeness is because it is dumb, wokeness is a self-righteous dick move, and wokeness is not working. The voters are rejecting YOU, and not necessarily embracing the other side.

[ceeboo]

"What went wrong is just stupid wokeness. Don't just look at Virginia and New Jersey. Look at Long Island, look at Buffalo, look at Minneapolis, even look at Seattle, Wash. I mean, this 'defund the police' lunacy, this take Abraham Lincoln's name off of schools. I mean that — people see that," Carville said.

"It's just really — has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats. Some of these people need to go to a 'woke' detox center or something," he added. "They're expressing a language that people just don't use, and there's backlash and a frustration at that."

https://youtu.be/-N6NAGlGBZA (This is from your left-wing PBS stuff)

I will keep saying this over, and over, and over again. People are sick of this stupid ass woke nonsense. This left-wing nonsense, as Carville calls it, is just not working. It is not popular. You are not popular. "People do not want to ride in a car with you. They do not want to share the subway with you." He is talking to you, Gad, Chap, Schmo, etc. And also to my sock puppet, K Graham. This woke stuff is great in a Twitter or message board silo, but it lands as hatred, bigotry and nonsense in the real world. Do not take my word for it, listen to one of the experts in blending populism with liberal policy.

And... for all you woke ass critics on here. Perhaps you can stop pretending that people who reject your woke ass crap are right wing, QAnon, or Trumpists. Carville just broke one off in your collective arse. Do you think he is a Trumpist, QAnon, Right-wing, 4Chan subscriber? I don't. He is saying EXACTLY what I have been telling you for months. The rejection of your wokeness is not because of Q and Trump. The rejection of your wokeness is because it is dumb, wokeness is a self-righteous dick move, and wokeness is not working. The voters are rejecting YOU, and not necessarily embracing the other side.

Exceptional post!

Spot on - Accutate - Truth.

[Gadianton]

And... for all you woke ass critics on here. Perhaps you can stop pretending that people who reject your woke ass crap are right wing, QAnon, or Trumpists. Carville just broke one off in your collective arse. Do you think he is a Trumpist, QAnon, Right-wing, 4Chan subscriber?

Please cite a single example of a "critic" on this forum defending something "woke". Maybe there is an example and I missed it.

I won't hold my breath.

[Xenophon]

While I don't disagree with you per se, Cultellus, I think you were much closer in your earlier conversation on it. If these elections boil down to culture wars I don't think the GOP has what it takes to win. Sure these little "woke battles" can be used to press a bigger issue but they aren't the primary or root issue. They have a much better chance in hammering Biden's approval and genericaly the economy.

I think Tuesday was an excellent demonstration of 2 things. 1)The party in power has a hard time holding onto power, Americans are forever dissatisfied with the current temperature in the house. 2)A deeply unpopular President will hurt his party down ticket. That was true for Trump and it is holding true for Biden.