Re: Belief in God
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:10 am
Touche! There's the problem with Evangelical Christianity in a nutshell. I never voted for the guy; I'm not that type of Christian.
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Touche! There's the problem with Evangelical Christianity in a nutshell. I never voted for the guy; I'm not that type of Christian.
Sure thing.KevinSim wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:28 pmThanks!Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:11 amUnderstood. I know what it's like to juggle. Best wishes on all of the above!
What do you mean a vital service for everybody? Like what???Do those contributions ever attempt to provide vital service for everybody? I think, deep down, we have an obligation to provide service for everybody.Jersey Girl wrote:Still...in the interest of fairness, I'd have to say that from a sociological perspective I think that anyone (believer or non) can hold personal philosophies as to their contributions to others.
Again, I have no idea what you mean by helping everybody. Look. If all self proclaimed Christians were living according to their faith, no one would be starving, living in cars, or that sort of thing.I say, more power to them. They're doing a good thing. But once again, are they helping everybody? I'm not saying anyone has to take on the responsibility of caring for everyone who will ever live. But we should take care of our own personal share of the (entire) human race's troubles. And who besides God knows what that personal share is?Jersey Girl wrote:I do think that there are a multitude of atheistic type folks who volunteer, give of their time and financial resources, essentially lend the other guy a helping hand in large and small ways. I've seen it right on this board in their posts and when I've pushed fund raisers for disaster victims.
I didn't SAY that you did. You asked at the start of this thread why you shouldn't hold a belief in God, did you not? You then went on to write THIS did you not?I never said they did.Jersey Girl wrote:Wanting to help others in their various plights depends on empathy and compassion. I don't see that believers have more of those qualities than non-believers.
When I say belief in God is the most productive choice I see I mean that if I can't believe in a good God to guide me, then I don't really see how I can fill my conscientious obligation to the rest of the human race. If I can't ask God some questions and count on God answering those questions, then how can I ever figure out what that obligation is? Atheism doesn't do me any good; my obligation is still there, and all atheism does is unload the whole weight of that obligation on my own shoulders, and my opinion is that that's too much weight for any individual to carry.
Jersey Girl wrote:Wanting to help others in their various plights depends on empathy and compassion. I don't see that believers have more of those qualities than non-believers.
There you go with the impossible premise of thinking you are charged with taking care of everybody. What do you mean and who do you think you are that you are charged with taking care of everybody??????Because taking care of everybody is a huge job. But it still has to he done.Jersey Girl wrote:Why is that too much weight for you to carry?
That was a smart ass comment I made there. It wasn't a question so why are you answering it?I need a crutch because I'm lame. And when it comes to fulfilling our obligation to the whole human race, aren't we all lame? Is there a better crutch for that task than God?Jersey Girl wrote:I'm really curious to see whatever other replies you got here and if anyone asked you why you need God for a crutch.
Yes. Do you?Jersey Girl, do you think that would be on topic?Jersey Girl wrote:I think the question you might ask yourself is what do you believe to be true about Jesus?
That's crap.Some Schmo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:13 pmThere are several sources, the biggest one being Mother Nature.Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:28 pmI want to reply to this. Pick me! Pick me!
Who creates the pain, inequality, and tragedy you are talking about?
Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:41 amThat's crap.Some Schmo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:13 pm
There are several sources, the biggest one being Mother Nature.
Well, apparently, the planner and the one who executed that plan are the same thing. That is, unless you're saying you have two gods, one who was the architect and another to do the construction.KevinSim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:52 amThe measure of a planner is not the quality of the outcome of the plan; the measure of a planner is that quality relative to what it could have been if the plan had not been carried out. Is the world really so bad that it could not have been worse?Some Schmo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:09 amThere are infinite reasons to think that if this earth is a planned thing, whoever planned it is an asshole.
You have no good reason to believe otherwise, except for its utility and associated comfort, but certainly not for any truth value.
It doesn't necessarily follow, but it does seem like a good reason to doubt.
Your unsupported assertion and denial of reality in this instance is crap.Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:41 amThat's crap.Some Schmo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:13 pmThere are several sources, the biggest one being Mother Nature.
Well. They worship a blood god. Think about that for a hot second.Some Schmo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:10 pmYour unsupported assertion and denial of reality in this instance is crap.
So, I guess Hurricane Katrina wasn't a source of unnecessary pain? Or the source of Hurricane Katrina wasn't Mother Nature?
Or are you saying Mother Nature is a loving mother who would never cause any pain to her children?
Just wtf are you on about?
Sorry about the crap answer I gave you. You want to know wtf I was on about? I was on the heels of trying to wade through a post by KevinSim (who bears a strong resemblance to Markk in his posting "style") and I blew you off in the process.Some Schmo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:10 pmYour unsupported assertion and denial of reality in this instance is crap.
So, I guess Hurricane Katrina wasn't a source of unnecessary pain? Or the source of Hurricane Katrina wasn't Mother Nature?
Or are you saying Mother Nature is a loving mother who would never cause any pain to her children?
Just wtf are you on about?