Independence

[ceeboo]

Putting your bigotry about Christians aside - as well as your attempted use of child-like grammar intended to paint your target as stupid while you assign a high level of intellect to yourself - I did find it rather humorous that, in your rant about propaganda and hoaxes, you actually posted a literal propaganda/hoax.

Weird. Trump made the "very fine people on both sides" comment AFTER THE CAR ATTACK in Charlottesville. The attack happened because a self-avowed white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters who showed up when it was discovered LITERAL NEO-NAZIS, white nationalists, and members of the Ku Klux Klan. Those guys chanted slogans like "Jews will not replace us" and carried NAZI symbols, Confederate flags, and other white nationalist insignia.

Wtf, Ceeboo.

- Doc

Here is what I would suggest (you need not take my advice) - Find things about Trump to criticize that are true - God knows, there are tons of them. When you parrot an obvious hoax (like has been done for years, over and over, by the mainstream media, Biden, Congressman, etc) you lose credibility - Trust is damaged - In an era where credibility and/or truth is becoming less and less important, there is a desperate need to return to a place where credibility and truth becomes and extraordinarily important thing again. In my opinion, it is what undergirds the toxic divisiveness between the citizens in the country, and it is one of the reasons the divide continues to get wider. YMMV.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Read the transcript. Also, stop re-writing history. It happened the way I described it above.

[Marcus]

Weird. Trump made the "very fine people on both sides" comment AFTER THE CAR ATTACK in Charlottesville. The attack happened because a self-avowed white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters who showed up when it was discovered LITERAL NEO-NAZIS, white nationalists, and members of the Ku Klux Klan. Those guys chanted slogans like "Jews will not replace us" and carried NAZI symbols, Confederate flags, and other white nationalist insignia.

Wtf, Ceeboo.

- Doc

Here is what I would suggest (you need not take my advice) - Find things about Trump to criticize that are true - God knows, there are tons of them. When you parrot an obvious hoax (like has been done for years, over and over, by the mainstream media, Biden, Congressman, etc) you lose credibility - Trust is damaged - In an era where credibility and/or truth is becoming less and less important, there is a desperate need to return to a place where credibility and truth becomes and extraordinarily important thing again. In my opinion, it is what undergirds the toxic divisiveness between the citizens in the country, and it is one of the reasons the divide continues to get wider. YMMV.

What do you think of the img Doc posted about Trump's speech? Do you think that speech 'undergirds the toxic divisiveness'?

[ceeboo]

Read the transcript. Also, stop re-writing history. It happened the way I described it above.

The link you posted doesn't work.

I don't need to read the transcript - I have watched the actual speech. If there is any rewriting of history going on, it most certainly isn't being done on my end.

[ceeboo]

What do you think of the img Doc posted about Trump's speech? Do you think that speech 'undergirds the toxic divisiveness'?

I don't need to think about the img Doc posted to recognize how many times Trump has been toxic and divisive. I just don't stop at Trump and only Trump. 99% of our modern politicians are extremely toxic and divisive - This includes, but is not limited to, our current President, Biden - Who is clearly toxic and divisive.

[Kishkumen]

I don't need to think about the img Doc posted to recognize how many times Trump has been toxic and divisive. I just don't stop at Trump and only Trump. 99% of our modern politicians are extremely toxic and divisive - This includes, but is not limited to, our current President, Biden - Who is clearly toxic and divisive.

You mean, the guy who came up with the strongest border bill in recent memory by cooperating with Republican Congresspersons, as he has been known to do for the majority of his career, only to have it shot down by His Orangeness for cynical political reasons?

[Some Schmo]

I'd ask for a single quote from Biden where he was being "toxic and divisive" but I know that wasn't an honest comment and I would never get an answer anyway, so I won't bother.

[ceeboo]

I'd ask for a single quote from Biden where he was being "toxic and divisive" but I know that wasn't an honest comment and I would never get an answer anyway, so I won't bother.

The only possible thing I can think of for someone to say this is that they are so deeply intrenched in their own political ideology that is has created literal blindness. A complete inability to see plain and obvious reality.

[Some Schmo]

I'd ask for a single quote from Biden where he was being "toxic and divisive" but I know that wasn't an honest comment and I would never get an answer anyway, so I won't bother.

The only possible thing I can think of for someone to say this is that they are so deeply intrenched in their own political ideology that is has created literal blindness. A complete inability to see plain and obvious reality.

Right. I noticed you provided no examples.

But that was predictable, wasn't it? How can you be honest with us when you won't even do that for yourself?

[canpakes]

Read the transcript. Also, stop re-writing history. It happened the way I described it above.

The link you posted doesn't work.

I don't need to read the transcript - I have watched the actual speech. If there is any rewriting of history going on, it most certainly isn't being done on my end.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

Trump: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

You probably shouldn’t read the transcript, Ceeboo. The whole thing is even worse than taking this snippet out of that context. Days after a white nationalist group arranged this protest, walked down the streets with torches shouting, “You will not replace us!”, and had one of their own run his car into a crowd and kill a woman, Trump could not keep himself from repeatedly equivocating the actions of the ‘sides’ involved, focusing instead on strongly disparaging ‘the left’, and making weak excuses for other parties.

And maybe you process the choice differently, but even if I was a ‘fine person’ with a fondness for wanting to preserve the racist history of a 4-year Confederacy & wanting to speak out against removal of a statue dedicated to a man who fought against this country on slavery’s behalf, I probably wouldn’t choose to voice that opinion at a protest literally organized and attended by a white supremacist/neonazi group.

Trump’s rambling defense of the situation did nothing to help an already awful event. In fact, it exacerbated it, because he was afraid to take a clear stand, and was afraid to lose the voting support of some arguably not ‘very fine people’.