Trump and Harvard

[Physics Guy]

A good friend whom I met when we were post-docs at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics is Israeli. He’s a secular Jew and a child of a Holocaust survivor. He and his family have all served in the Israeli Defense Force. And he has spent huge amounts of time organizing protests against his government’s war.

The protests have been large. My friend is far from alone in his grief and horror at his government’s actions. By no means whatever is even the harshest criticism of Israel’s war on Gaza necessarily anti-Semitic.

[Jersey Girl]

A good friend whom I met when we were post-docs at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics is Israeli. He’s a secular Jew and a child of a Holocaust survivor. He and his family have all served in the Israeli Defense Force. And he has spent huge amounts of time organizing protests against his government’s war.

The protests have been large. My friend is far from alone in his grief and horror at his government’s actions. By no means whatever is even the harshest criticism of Israel’s war on Gaza necessarily anti-Semitic.

PG thank you so much for posting this comment. At first I struggled between being supportive of Israel and being deeply concerned about the brutality inflicted on the people of Gaza, then ultimately settled on compassion for Gaza. It's good to hear that a Jew, whose whole family as you say, served in the IDF also condemns the actions of Israel in this case.

There's nothing anti-Semitic about condemning the decisions and brutality we see, hear, and read about on the part of Israel. That'd be akin to condemning the activity of a US administration and being accused of being anti-US. That type of black and white/either or "thinking" is all too prevalent today. At least I think it is.

If we look back in the Old Testament (which I do) the Lord God Almighty also condemned the actions of Israel while maintaining His steadfast love for them. Christians aren't God, of course, but we can certainly take our cues from what we see in scripture and take a stand for what is right and good.

Thank you again for sharing.

[Chap]

Oh by the way, another Jewish Nazi collaborator anti-semite has just spoken out. He says:

The government of Israel is currently waging a war without purpose, without goals or clear planning, and with no chances of success. Never since its establishment has the state of Israel waged such a war. The criminal gang headed by Benjamin Netanyahu has set a precedent without equal in Israel’s history in this area, too.

The obvious result of Operation Gideon’s Chariots is, first and foremost, the confused activity of Israeli military units deployed around Gaza. This is true particularly in neighborhoods where our soldiers have already fought, were hurt and fell while killing many Hamas combatants, who deserve to die, and many more innocent civilians. These have joined the statistics of pointless victims among the Palestinian population, reaching monstrous proportions.

Recent operations in Gaza have nothing to do with legitimate war goals. The government sends our soldiers – and the military obeys – to wander around Gaza City, Jabalya and Khan Younis neighborhoods in an illegitimate military operation. This is now a private political war. Its immediate result is the transformation of Gaza into a humanitarian disaster area.

Silly me. I forgot to mention the identity of the anti-semite in question.

It's Ehud Olmert. A former Prime Minister of Israel. Those Nazis get in everywhere, don't they?

Read the whole article here:

It’s time for Israel to halt its war of devastation in Gaza
Ehud Olmert

[Markk]

Harvard has and does support the eradication of Israel as a nation, whether directly, or indirectly does not matter.

Markk, you can keep furiously digging your hole deeper and trying to claim that dumb propaganda is your truth, but at the end of the day, you’ll have been punk’d by your orange hero and now seem stuck tying to defend stupid stuff made up to trick weak minds into displays of faux rage.

Are you not able to answer the two questions that I asked earlier?

(1) Point out the ‘antisemitism’ that is displayed on the Harvardfsjp page, and -
(2) Show how Harvard, as an institution on the whole, is promoting antisemitism.

Cakes you are just ducking the conversation. Show me where I said the page displayed antisemitism, we can both play that dumb game. I said, which is true, is that there is a group on campus that supports it, that you can join it, and showed that members in that group support by fighting to keep the terrorist slogan "from the River to the Sea" acceptable on campus. And it is indisputable that Harvard allows antisemitic protests on campus.

What you do is avoid the discussion, and then just call Trump names in that you can't have a objective conversation.

Do you believe, like apparently others do here, that there is no such thing as antisemitism?

[canpakes]

Markk, you can keep furiously digging your hole deeper and trying to claim that dumb propaganda is your truth, but at the end of the day, you’ll have been punk’d by your orange hero and now seem stuck tying to defend stupid stuff made up to trick weak minds into displays of faux rage.

Are you not able to answer the two questions that I asked earlier?

(1) Point out the ‘antisemitism’ that is displayed on the Harvardfsjp page, and -
(2) Show how Harvard, as an institution on the whole, is promoting antisemitism.

Cakes you are just ducking the conversation. Show me where I said the page displayed antisemitism, we can both play that dumb game. I said, which is true, is that there is a group on campus that supports it,

Nope. You simply claimed that a group on campus supports antisemitism. You’ve offered nothing to support that claim.

that you can join it,

You can join the group. At least you got this one part right.

and showed that members in that group support by fighting to keep the terrorist slogan "from the River to the Sea" acceptable on campus.

Nope. You didn’t show that. But you did post a link to an American Jewish Committee (AJC) page that indicates that the phrase is acceptable depending on context. Thank you for dismissing your own complaint with your own link.

And it is indisputable that Harvard allows antisemitic protests on campus.

Not yet correct. I can dispute this, unless you provide some context of what you are labeling, ‘antisemitic’. Consider your claim disputed until then.

What you do is avoid the discussion, and then just call Trump names in that you can't have a objective conversation.

You mean to say that when I engage you in a conversation after you’ve posted a BS Trumpian talking point, you accuse me of avoiding the discussion, while just evading the task of providing context or examples to support your claims.

Do you believe, like apparently others do here, that there is no such thing as antisemitism?

Interesting presupposition. Who here believes that ‘there is no such thing as antisemitism’? List these board members and we can discuss your claim about their beliefs.

You can answer that one either before, or after you answer the other questions.

[Markk]

Nope. You simply claimed that a group on campus supports antisemitism. You’ve offered nothing to support that claim.

I did, and they do. However you wrote I said a page "displayed" it, which is not true. Remember we are playing that game.

But, I did state, which is factual, that members of that group signed a open letter to the former president of Harvard that she should allow the terrorist slogan of from the "River to the Sea." should not be condemned. I said that, and it is provable as fact if you want to look at the membership roll of the founders of the Harvard organization, and the signed open letter.

There have been antisemitic protest on campus for years, with hate, and they were allowed. If you want to deny it fine. Harvard settled more than one lawsuit by Jewish Students, because Harvard as a institution did not protect them and ignored the antisemitism on their campus.... under the 1964 civil rights act....and the former president ended up resigning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQuji8hO8js

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0OagAIzf74

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZlC_mMYyYco

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dSMxSjJRWSY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2TYgep_YBs

[canpakes]

Nope. You simply claimed that a group on campus supports antisemitism. You’ve offered nothing to support that claim.

I did, and they do. However you wrote I said a page "displayed" it, which is not true. Remember we are playing that game.

Nope. Another false claim. I did not say that you said a page displayed it. You simply provided the page as the only evidence of your claim that the group is ‘antisemitic’. I asked you to point to what it was on that only provided example - the page - in support of your claim. You’ve failed to do so, or to provide any other example, then and still.

But, I did state, which is factual, that members of that group signed a open letter to the former president of Harvard that she should allow the terrorist slogan of from the "River to the Sea." should not be condemned. I said that, and it is provable as fact if you want to look at the membership roll of the founders of the Harvard organization, and the signed open letter.

Your own link to the AJC also states that the phrase is not necessarily antisemitic. Is the AJC also antisemitic for stating this same thing?

There have been antisemitic protest on campus for years, with hate, and they were allowed. If you want to deny it fine. Harvard settled more than one lawsuit by Jewish Students, because Harvard as a institution did not protect them and ignored the antisemitism on their campus.... under the 1964 civil rights act....and the former president ended up resigning.

A failure to prevent antisemitic opinions at a protest does not equate to a university promoting antisemitism any more so than a skinhead rally downtown means that your city promotes antisemitism. Your BS isn’t sticking here. You need to do better than this.

[Markk]

Chad, Gunnar, Cakes

That is just dumb. Gunnar was implying that a Jew can not be "antisemitic" just because they are a jew. History has proven that to be false. If your friend or aquatintists are for the eradication of Israel as a whole, then they are antisemitic against Israel as a whole. Context is everything.

Take it from me, who has known a lot of Jews for a long, long, time. Though the centuries, Jews have referred to people who hate Jews as an ethno-cultural-religious group as 'anti-semites', or equivalent words in other languages.

Where does that term come from? Well, Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth. Shem was seen as the ancestor of most of the people of the ancient middle East, including Jews. Hence someone who hated Jews was called an anti-S(h)emite. This term is not ancient, but it certainly goes back to well before anybody even imagined anything like the modern state of Israel.

Over the last couple of hundred years, faced with the anti-semitism they encountered in some Christian countries, some Jews began to dream of a modern state where Jews would no longer be outsiders, and the idea grew up of establishing it in what was then called Palestine. Because 'Zion' was an ancient name for Jerusalem, such Jews were called 'Zionists'.

Some Jews thought it would in the long run be better for Jews to continuing fighing for rights in the countries where they were then living, and in some cases such people even thought it would be a positively bad idea to try to establish a modern state for Jews. Such Jews were called 'anti-Zionists'.

Nobody, but nobody called them anti-semites, because everybody realised that it would be dumb (Markk's favourite word) to call a victim of anti-semitism an anti-semite because they did not think it was a good idea to establish a modern state for Jews. There was already a perfectly good word for such people: anti-Zionists.

Netanyahu's government is nowadays pushing the stupid position that anybody who opposes the current policy of that government in relation to Gaza is an anti-semite. That would necessarily a large proportion of Jewish citizens of the state of Israel, as well as many Jews in countries round the world, including those Jews who to want Israel to continue to exist as a state, but just dislike its present government. And historically illiterate people are swallowing this line at one dumb gulp.

Lol, so because you know Jews, you know all this? And what does this have do do with Harvard supporting antisemitism.

by the way, I know a lot of Jews, for years. I have done a few projects with the Southern California Jewish Community, I have a family member that married a duel citizenship Jew, and oddly enough celebrate Christmas with them each year. I work very closely with Jewish folks professionally....does that make me a expert of sorts like you?

I did the first phase of restoration on this project some 15 years ago....and worked very closely with the Jewish community.

Side note, why we are talking about knowing Jews:

https://samgrubersjewishartmonuments.Brian Laundrie ... -shul.html

I was the Project Manager of the seismic retrofit and the restoration of the stained glass windows of the Shul, for about a year and a half. There are 12 windows in the sanctuary, see the link, one for each tribe of Israel. Oddly enough, each window has a sign of the zodiac on the window. I asked the Rabbi what it meant and he basically said it has nothing to do with the zodiac, but tradition. They are very secular yet very "Jewish" and "traditional" as key adjectives. That is the best way I can explain my experience with the Jewish community.

Sadly, after a half million dollar window restoration, the neighbors threw rocks and green lemons through them and damaged them severely. We were given a change order to design and install nets in front of the windows. Then a few months later they shot two windows up.

[Markk]

I did, and they do. However you wrote I said a page "displayed" it, which is not true. Remember we are playing that game.

Nope. Another false claim. I did not say that you said a page displayed it. You simply provided the page as the only evidence of your claim that the group is ‘antisemitic’. I asked you to point to what it was on that only provided example - the page - in support of your claim. You’ve failed to do so, or to provide any other example, then and still.

But, I did state, which is factual, that members of that group signed a open letter to the former president of Harvard that she should allow the terrorist slogan of from the "River to the Sea." should not be condemned. I said that, and it is provable as fact if you want to look at the membership roll of the founders of the Harvard organization, and the signed open letter.

Your own link to the AJC also states that the phrase is not necessarily antisemitic. Is the AJC also antisemitic for stating this same thing?

There have been antisemitic protest on campus for years, with hate, and they were allowed. If you want to deny it fine. Harvard settled more than one lawsuit by Jewish Students, because Harvard as a institution did not protect them and ignored the antisemitism on their campus.... under the 1964 civil rights act....and the former president ended up resigning.

A failure to prevent antisemitic opinions at a protest does not equate to a university promoting antisemitism any more so than a skinhead rally downtown means that your city promotes antisemitism. Your BS isn’t sticking here. You need to do better than this.

I guess this is were you just ignore the links that prove over and over that Harvard is guilty of antisemitism and allowing hate speech.

Why did Harvard settle, especially given the fact... lol, they just might know a few lawyers that would work pro bono. Why did the president deny what she did, and then resign?

[canpakes]

I guess this is were you just ignore the links …

Lists of random, multiple, unidentified YouTube links of dubious credibility are always going to be ignored. It’s basically a more egregious version of ‘link and run’.

There’s plenty of readable information out that that you should be able to link to if you’re looking to make a case.