Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_Water Dog]

I don't believe she was being sarcastic at all. And even if she were, what did you say? "Classy." What a thing to joke about. Would her joke be just as innocent and sarcastic if Kavanaugh hadn't been confirmed? Claiming it to be mere sarcasm really kind of hinges on that detail doesn't it, which itself suggests that it's not sarcasm. The punch line is that they did not succeed in their attempt to destroy his life? Hardee Harr Harr. As if his life isn't affected in a million other ways. And is this person so clueless that she doesn't realize that? If sarcasm, this person is an idiot, because his life has been largely wrecked in a number of ways. I don't know this woman in particular, maybe she was being sarcastic. But clearly, a LOT of people did not interpret it that way. Clearly, a lot of people do want to destroy Kavanaugh's life. Not as a joke. Literally. They would kill him if they could, and may very well be plotting to do so. Kavanaugh and his family will be harassed about this for the rest of their lives. I don't know what kind of security Supreme Court has in place, but this man is going to need a security detail to follow him everywhere. Which as I understand it is not typical. Justices have just been normal people, moving around society freely. Clarence Thomas likes to take RV trips with his wife. Like any normal people they just hitch up and drive, pull into a park. He likes to tell stories about his encounters with average americans during these trips. Kavanaugh won't be able to go anywhere without armed security.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I love how EAllusion feels this constant, unrelenting need to remind everyone how incredibly smart he is and then invents an opponent's position which he can coveniently counter.

I wish there was some sort of logical fallacy that embodies his posting style and could be succinctly descibed... Some sort of weird habit of setting up some sort of argument that's not being made, and then sort of 'knocking it over', as it were...

- Doc

something something I was right...

Meanwhile back on planet earth her tweet is gaining political traction. This was just posted on Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/s ... aughs-life

Here she was being funny before she was being funny:

https://Twitter.com/ArielDumas/status/1 ... 3818923009

And here she was being totes HI-LAR-IOUS:

https://Twitter.com/ArielDumas/status/1 ... 4336676865

Here we see again the Democrats absolutely crusing the 'optics' of this whole affair. I tell you what, November 6th just got a whole lot more interesting.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

I'd also argue that there was clearly an element of the Democratic party willing to take Ford's claim which was made before Kavanaugh received the nomination and weaponize it for political reasons. I can't come down firmly in support of Kavanaugh protestors, either. This isn't right v. wrong, good v. evil, entrenched patriarchy v. enlightened progress. We're in a place where people on both sides view the other with the greatest degree of contempt such that anything can be justified when used to fight it. And these are our fellow citizens. We hate each other so much, we view what divides us as far more important than what should unite us or define us when compared to those outside our national identity. If we actually still have something that could be defined as a shared national identity, that is.

[_EAllusion]

Here she was being funny before she was being funny:

https://Twitter.com/ArielDumas/status/1 ... 3818923009

That quote she's sharing makes it quite clear she finds the notion that Kavanaugh's life was being ruined ridiculous, which should tell you her comment was sarcasm. Why would you share that quote as support of the "No, she meant it" reading?

Walk me through it. Here's what she thinks is right:



If that's what she thinks, then why would you read her saying, "At least we got to ruin his life" literally rather than as an ironic jab at the notion that his life was ruined.

And here she was being totes HI-LAR-IOUS:

https://Twitter.com/ArielDumas/status/1 ... 4336676865

I'm not even sure what you see wrong with this quote.

[_Water Dog]

Cool, more sarcasm. Libs are so funny! I can't stop laughing.

[_Gunnar]

Water Dog, who is going to provide security for Christine Blasey Ford? You know, don't you, that she has also received hate mail and death threats? Her life and family have been severely disrupted because she had the courage to speak out about what happened to her. She knew before she spoke out that what would happen to her as a result would be nightmarish, and what actually happened to her was even worse than she feared. Her life and career are probably far more threatened than Kavanaugh's ever will. I see little hope that she will ever be able to live a comfortable, normal life again. I see no compelling reason to think that she was anything other than a courageous woman who sincerely felt she needed to speak out on this out of a sense of civic duty. She would have had a much easier time of it if she had just kept this all to herself. No one can prove that she lied about anything. In the mean time, a man who is a proven liar gets nominated to the Supreme Court! Why do you see nothing wrong with that?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Huh. This is interesting:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/07/how-the-n ... firmation/

Democrats face backlash from ‘mama bears’ angered by Kavanaugh hearings

By Mary Kay Linge October 7, 2018 | 1:24am | Updated

In Huntsville, Ala., mom Vickie Freeman had wept for joy as she watched Brett Kavanaugh testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

And now that he’s been confirmed as the country’s 114th Supreme Court justice, she has a name for herself and other Republican moms galvanized by the tense and partisan confirmation process.

“We are the ‘Mama Bears,’ absolutely,” Freeman told The Post. “And it has really fired us up to vote.”

The bruising Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings fueled feminist fury and Democrat disgust across the country — but the hearings also gave the GOP, and Republican mothers in particular, a sense of righteous anger that could turn midterm congressional races red.

Especially in heartland red states, Republicans who are mad about the way Kavanaugh was treated could make the difference for the GOP as it tries to keep control of the House and Senate.

“Nothing turns Republicans of all stripes — whether they’re Bush Republicans or Trump Republicans — on like a court fight,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Fox News on Saturday.

The Democrats “played right into our hands, in retrospect,” he crowed. “Maybe I ought to say thank you.”

An NPR-Marist poll last week found that the Democrats’ “enthusiasm gap” has all but evaporated in the heat of the confirmation battle.

Republican enthusiasm has surged by 12 percentage points since July, the survey found, leaving the two parties statistically tied.

GOP turnout could hinge in large part on a contingent that could be called the “Mama Bears” — women who defend Kavanaugh and fear their sons could fall victim to unfounded allegations in the #MeToo age.

The allegations of sexual assault against Kavanaugh have riled women nationwide — but their anger, it turns out, goes both ways.

A poll taken after the nation heard Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony against Kavanaugh, followed by his impassioned denial, found 55 percent of women opposed his elevation to the Supreme Court, but 37 percent were in favor.

On Staten Island, the Kavanaugh hearings outraged Angie Moore.

“The minute a conservative gets accused, it’s like due process goes out the window,” she said.

In Missouri, where Democrat Claire McCaskill is running for re-election, 47 percent of female voters have told pollsters her opposition to Kavanaugh has turned them against her, while 42 percent approve of her “no” vote.

“We are watching someone be declared guilty without proof,” Kelly Melang of Beech Mountain, NC, told her two teen boys.

“We try our best to raise them to be respectful and honorable,” she added. “But we’ve had to sit them down and tell them, you have to watch your back.”

“I fear for my sons,” said Gayle Chasen of Staten Island. “I believe in women’s rights, but I also believe in the deviousness of girls. Anybody can come up with something from the past and just make up any kind of story.”

Some moms took to social media to declare they’d bought calendars for their sons to record their daily activities, just in case they have to one day defend themselves as Kavanaugh did.

“It’s so terrifying,” Freeman said of her 15-year-old son. “I’m not giving him a calendar. I’m just thinking about not letting him go anywhere.”

Freeman, who calls herself a Christian conservative, said the controversy has sharply boosted voter enthusiasm in her community before Election Day.

“We were not Trump supporters initially, but we voted for him because of the Supreme Court,” she said. “So we have to make sure our voices are heard.”

Chasen, a Democrat “still on the fence” about the coming elections, is livid about the tactics her party used in its effort to take Kavanaugh down.

“What an embarrassment,” she said, citing the sex scandals of Democrats such as Bill Clinton and Eliot Spitzer. “How dare they badger this guy?” she asked. “They’re all dirty.”

No matter how the Kavanaugh confirmation may affect the midterms one month away, its shock waves could continue rumbling for years.

Susan Collins (R-Maine), who cast a “yes” vote that helped save Kavanaugh — and the Trump administration — from a humiliating defeat on the Senate floor, may have already drawn a high-profile challenger for her seat when she runs for re-election in 2020.

“Who wants to run for Senate in Maine?” tweeted Jen Psaki, Obama’s former communications director, shortly after Collins wrapped up her 40-minute speech explaining her “yes” vote for Kavanaugh. “There will be an army of supporters with you.”

“Me,” Rice responded 11 minutes later.

But shortly after, Rice backtracked on her declaration.

“Many thanks for the encouragement,” she tweeted. “I’m not making any announcements. Like so many Americans, I am deeply disappointed in Senator Collins’ vote for Kavanaugh.”

Rice would enter the fray as a novice candidate, but one with impressive name recognition.

She’d have a substantial war chest, too.

In August, political activists launched a crowd-funding effort to put pressure on Collins. As one of the Senate’s most moderate Republicans, she was long been seen as a swing vote on his nomination. By Saturday afternoon, the fund had collected more than $3.2 million in pledges

Mama bears. Hrm.

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

Wow, it's really surprising people are reacting negatively to a sham investigation and confirmation. Who'd have thunk it?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I'd also argue that there was clearly an element of the Democratic party willing to take Ford's claim which was made before Kavanaugh received the nomination and weaponize it for political reasons. I can't come down firmly in support of Kavanaugh protestors, either. This isn't right v. wrong, good v. evil, entrenched patriarchy v. enlightened progress. We're in a place where people on both sides view the other with the greatest degree of contempt such that anything can be justified when used to fight it. And these are our fellow citizens. We hate each other so much, we view what divides us as far more important than what should unite us or define us when compared to those outside our national identity. If we actually still have something that could be defined as a shared national identity, that is.

This is a pretty solid observation. I don't know if we can get back to a place where centrist ideas dominate. I've mentioned in the past being a fan of John Naisbitt, probably because I read a couple of his books during my formative years, and who was part of a 'radical centrist' movement that kind of got some legs somewhere around the 2000's. Anyway, he predicted pretty accurately what would happen as the Internet took over and people would just exist in their echo chambers. Combine that with tribalism and viewing the Other with suspicion and I think we're just at a point of no return.

- Doc

[_Water Dog]

Water Dog, who is going to provide security for Christine Blasey Ford? You know, don't you, that she has also received hate mail and death threats?

Chuckle. Well, her million+ in gofundme dollars will help with that. You're directing this question to the wrong guy. I think she made it all up, so how do you think I'm going to react to this? I think she should be subjected to a rigorous criminal investigation, with search warrants, have her phone and other records searched. And if she made it up, conspired for political gain, her and any accomplices should go to jail.

I think it would be profoundly illuminating to compare threats against Kavanaugh vs. Ford. Ford is being showered with adoration and hero worship. Some threats mixed in there, sure, I have no doubt. I suspect the situation is far worse for Kavanaugh, and will be long-term. Stanford will probably erect a monument in Ford's honor. If she was an assistant professor, she'll get tenure. I have a feeling she'll be just fine.

And if she is in fact innocent. If genuinely concerned for her well being, that's a point which you ought to be raising with certain democrat politicians who leaked it. I've got an idea. If she's innocent, she should be calling for an investigation into whoever leaked her story. Why aren't her attorneys up in arms, demanding an investigation into the senate committee to determine how her story was leaked to the press? And then after engaging in such an investigation, determining who is responsible, well, SUE THEM for civil damages. Hell, she could sue the Senate itself. She should file a civil suit against Feinstein and the committee for mishandling her private information. Now she's under threat of death. She has incurred substantial cost in order to move and protect herself. Those are real monetary damages, and I'm sure any jury would award in her favor...

Why doesn't she do that? The only reason I can think of to not do something like that is that she knows any such investigation would implicate HER.