Winning: Food Stamp program costs hit 7 year low

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_Maxine Waters
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I haven't read much from him that leads me to believe the notion that one can work, in some locations, 60+ hours a week and still barely make ends meet really enters his mind.


If that were true than wages should be higher. So explain to me why we need more unskilled illegal immigrant labor flowing into the country if wages are too low.
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Another advantage to SNAP is easily said, as a USDA function, it is a stimulus to the economy, as it increases the amount of money people spend for food. Thus, food producers get more income. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ps/260015/

Unskilled migrant laborers take jobs that American-born citizens refuse to even consider. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... ns/529008/

Have you read Grapes of Wrath?
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Unskilled migrant laborers take jobs that American-born citizens refuse to even consider.


Perhaps if Americans were hungrier they would reconsider.
“There were mothers who took this [Rodney King LA riots] as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes ... They are not crooks.”

This liberal would be about socializing … uh, umm. … Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.
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Maxine Waters wrote:
I haven't read much from him that leads me to believe the notion that one can work, in some locations, 60+ hours a week and still barely make ends meet really enters his mind.


If that were true than wages should be higher. So explain to me why we need more unskilled illegal immigrant labor flowing into the country if wages are too low.

Explain to me what is forcing employers to pay these wages. That's the actual question.
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Maxine Waters wrote:
Unskilled migrant laborers take jobs that American-born citizens refuse to even consider.

Perhaps if Americans were hungrier they would reconsider.

See the addition to my post. What about those who have health conditions which prevent them from picking fast enough to please the bosses, or face physical collapse if circumstances were to force them to take such employment? I suppose you would say that they deserve to starve.
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Always Changing wrote:See the addition to my post. What about those who have health conditions which prevent them from picking fast enough to please the bosses, or face physical collapse if circumstances were to force them to take such employment? I suppose you would say that they deserve to starve.

majax won't say it, so I'll paraphrase him: everyone should choose to remain gainfully employed until death.

(majax, correct me if I'm wrong about that)

Therefore, it follows that if folks - old, disabled, or whatever - cannot work enough to buy the food that they need, and have no other resource, then starvation is an acceptable outcome.
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See the addition to my post. What about those who have health conditions which prevent them from picking fast enough to please the bosses, or face physical collapse if circumstances were to force them to take such employment? I suppose you would say that they deserve to starve.


That doesn't mean there aren't people refusing to work because it pays better to collect welfare. Open borders mixed with socialism will continue to seriously degrade the American standard of living.
“There were mothers who took this [Rodney King LA riots] as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes ... They are not crooks.”

This liberal would be about socializing … uh, umm. … Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.
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majax won't say it, so I'll paraphrase him: everyone should choose to remain gainfully employed until death.

(majax, correct me if I'm wrong about that)


I had always hoped people could start their own businesses. But yeah, age is no excuse to quit doing what you can to contribute.

Therefore, it follows that if folks - old, disabled, or whatever - cannot work enough to buy the food that they need, and have no other resource, then starvation is an acceptable outcome.


This is where you overstate what I'm saying. I don't have a problem helping people that are truly disabled, meaning there is no job in the economy they can perform. Perhaps subsidizing incomes is a better solution that raising the minimum wage.
“There were mothers who took this [Rodney King LA riots] as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes ... They are not crooks.”

This liberal would be about socializing … uh, umm. … Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.
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Maxine Waters wrote:
Therefore, it follows that if folks - old, disabled, or whatever - cannot work enough to buy the food that they need, and have no other resource, then starvation is an acceptable outcome.


This is where you overstate what I'm saying. I don't have a problem helping people that are truly disabled, meaning there is no job in the economy they can perform. Perhaps subsidizing incomes is a better solution that raising the minimum wage.

But this is where simple rhetoric no longer suffices, and details and decisions become necessary.

- How do we subsidize income?
- What dollar amounts are we talking?
- Adjusted for age and/or area of residence?
- How is disability to the point of not being able to perform any job in the economy determined?
- How do we insure that moderately disabled folks can get a job or get to one? Or if failure to be hired is because employers simply don't want them, because they perceive a liability?

... and so on.

Thoughts?
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Maxine Waters wrote:If that were true than wages should be higher. So explain to me why we need more unskilled illegal immigrant labor flowing into the country if wages are too low.

Immigration raises aggregate wages for all but a small segment of the population where studies show that it has either no effect or a slightly negative effect that works out to a few dollars a week.

If you want higher wages, you should encourage immigration, not suppress it. That aside, the real takeaway here is that genuinely didn't know that people do work full time or more than full-time and lack a liveable income. That's reality for some people. How much money you make isn't a simple function of how hard you work.
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