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You keep ignoring the fact that mutiple witnesses in the same store at the same time say that non-paying whites were allowed to stay much longer and even use the locked bathroom. Why is that Doc?

ETA: It looks like you don't believe them and suppose they might be lying to join a PC bandwagon. Meanwhile, the disgraced manager's word is unimpeachable.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:What you haven't addressed are the reports that white folks were in the Starbucks hanging out and using the restrooms without ordering, and their non-ordering presence went unquestioned by management.


I have no idea what the truth is with regard to to the "white folks" at the restaurant. Who knows what their motivations are. Maybe they're being truthful, or maybe they're jumping on the hate bandwagon.

What do know is this:

1) The woman is the manager and she's charged with enforcing company policy. That's it.

2) The men were in violation of company policy, belligerent, and trespassing.

3) All of this could've been avoided by buying a cup of coffee.

So. You tell me who's in the wrong? A female manager enforcing company policy or men who weren't even patrons trespassing?

- Doc


You seem pretty sure you know exactly what the policy was. Can you quote the exact policy?
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Res Ipsa wrote:You seem pretty sure you know exactly what the policy was. Can you quote the exact policy?


Can you? Why are you and the other misogynists so hateful toward this woman who was just trying to do a job? What makes you think she knew anything about the other patrons?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:You seem pretty sure you know exactly what the policy was. Can you quote the exact policy?


Can you? Why are you and the other misogynists so hateful toward this woman who was just trying to do a job? What makes you think she knew anything about the other patrons?

- Doc


Please quote what I’ve said about the former manager that is hateful.

If you don’t know what the actual policy is, how do you know she was actually following it.

Why didn’t she know that the white customer had been there for a couple hours without buying anything?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:What you haven't addressed are the reports that white folks were in the Starbucks hanging out and using the restrooms without ordering, and their non-ordering presence went unquestioned by management.


I have no idea what the truth is with regard to to the "white folks" at the restaurant. Who knows what their motivations are. Maybe they're being truthful, or maybe they're jumping on the hate bandwagon.

What do know is this:

1) The woman is the manager and she's charged with enforcing company policy. That's it.

2) The men were in violation of company policy, belligerent, and trespassing.

3) All of this could've been avoided by buying a cup of coffee.

So. You tell me who's in the wrong? A female manager enforcing company policy or men who weren't even patrons trespassing?

- Doc



Wait. Wait. Wait.

You have no idea what the truth is with regard to the white folks.

You also have no idea what the truth is with regard to to the men being belligerent either.

NONE of us know the details with confidence. We weren't there. All that we think we know, is what has been told to us.

The reports that I have read indicate that the men cursed her (belligerance) and that white folks were on the premises also without ordering sitting there and also using the restroom.

You are cherry picking one report while ignoring the other. I don't understand why you are doing that.
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The Philadelphia PD Commissioner stated he did not observe racism in either the actions of his officers or the actions of the Starbucks personnel who summoned police.

I'm going to go ahead and side with him.

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Themis wrote:I would put money on it that she got a nice severance package with a NDA. It just makes good business sense.


Themis wrote:You in particular seem to be asserting a lot that is not well substantiated.


C'mon.

- Doc


What? MY willingness to put money on it is no way asserting it as a fact. It's just saying I would be willing to gamble money before finding out if she did get a severance package. That is different then your assertions about what happened.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The Philadelphia PD Commissioner stated he did not observe racism in either the actions of his officers or the actions of the Starbucks personnel who summoned police.

I'm going to go ahead and side with him.

- Doc


You mean this guy? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... onference/
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Yes. That's the guy I'm going to side with.

eta: Which statement do you believe? His unfiltered first statement, or the politically correct one so he isn't fired?

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Yes. That's the guy I'm going to side with.

eta: Which statement do you believe? His unfiltered first statement, or the politically correct one so he isn't fired?

- Doc


So, you don’t actually side with him. Interesting.
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