Kav's FBI "thorough" investigation = Lame Coverup

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canpakes wrote:Any person that announces to the Nation that the Clintons are out to get him shouldn’t be in a position to make decisions that could affect over 300 million people.


Yup. That does sound just a wee bit as if he regards his appointment as a political one, doesn't it?

Somehow that does not seem a good sign for his future impartiality when exercising the immense powers of a Justice of the Supreme Court.

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canpakes wrote:Any person that announces to the Nation that the Clintons are out to get him shouldn’t be in a position to make decisions that could affect over 300 million people.


I'm not sure Kavanaugh was saying "the Clintons are out to get him."

Here's what he said:

This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election. Fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record. Revenge on behalf of the Clintons. and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.


Here's how the Washington Post summarizes what Kavanaugh has to do with the Clintons:

As a young lawyer, Kavanaugh played an important role on Starr’s team investigating sexual misconduct by the then-president and helped shape one of the most salacious chapters in modern political history.

Kavanaugh spent a good part of the mid-1990s jetting back and forth to Little Rock, Arkansas, digging into Bill and Hillary Clintons’ background, according to documents made public as part of his nomination to the Supreme Court.

It was Kavanaugh who pushed Starr to ask Bill Clinton, in graphic detail, about the nature of his sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. In a memo from 1998, Kavanaugh wrote that Starr should ask Clinton whether he engaged in phone sex and specific sexual acts with her.

Starr took Kavanaugh’s advice. His resulting report ultimately presented evidence that Clinton, in denying the affair, lied under oath. The report became the grounds for Clinton’s impeachment.


In his testimony, he didn't say it was the Clintons who were out to get him. He seems to be suggesting that the Democrats may have had a little extra animosity towards him as a result of his participation in the Clinton investigation. It's revenge "on behalf of", not "revenge at the hands of."

Maybe a distinction without a difference, but people definitely seem to be pretending he said something he didn't say. If a liberal lawyer had participated in actions against a beloved Republican President decades ago, I wouldn't consider it far-fetched to assume that some Republicans aren't too fond of him because of it and wouldn't want to see him on the Supreme Court.

And if the judge himself felt like his actions decades earlier were contributing to what he saw as untrue and unjust allegations being leveled against him, I'm not sure I could blame him. But someone should have proofread his testimony and said "Yeah, that line about the Clintons doesn't need to be there."
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Kevin Graham wrote:It most certainly is corroborating evidence because it directly supports Ford's claim that when she "was 14 and 15 years old, my group of friends intersected with Brett and his friends for a short period of time." Kavanaugh corroborates her almost verbatim. You keep ignoring what the evidence actually corroborates and then focus on what it doesn't corroborate as if that changes the fact that plenty corroboration already exists.


I think you're a little mixed up on what "corroborating evidence" is (or what is being "corroborated").

I went to a high school with over 500 girls in attendance. This fact wouldn't serve as "corroboration" should any of them come forward and accuse me of assaulting them. It only corroborates that I went to school with them.

Ford claims that there was a gathering to which Kavanaugh, Ford, Judge, Smyth, "one other boy", and Ingham attended.

If all of them (other than Ford) can't recall such a gathering, that can stand as evidence against the claim that such a gathering was held (and, by extension, that anything happened at the gathering).

But if everyone, including Kavanaugh, said they remembered the gathering, that wouldn't "corroborate" the story of the sexual assault. It would just corroborate the story of the gathering, but we still wouldn't have any evidence for or against the assault other than Ford's accusation and Kavanaugh's and Judge's denials.
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subgenius wrote:
To be blunt - its over.


:lol:

Oh?

Roberts refers judicial misconduct complaints against Kavanaugh to federal appeals court in Colorado

Chief Justice John Roberts on Wednesday referred ethics complaints about the Supreme Court’s newest associate justice, Brett Kavanaugh, to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Colorado.

The complaints, related to comments Kavanaugh made during his contentious confirmation hearings last month, were originally filed with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, where Kavanaugh served as a federal judge before his confirmation on Saturday. Roberts made the request in a letter to Chief Judge Timothy Tymkovich of the 10th Circuit, which also covers Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

An appointee of President George W. Bush, Tymkovich is also on the list of President Donald Trump’s possible Supreme Court picks that included Neil Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, who are both now confirmed justices.

Part of the reason for the transfer could be related to the fact that Merrick Garland, chief judge of the D.C Circuit, serves on a committee that handles such complaints. Garland was chosen by President Barack Obama to serve on the Supreme Court, but Senate Republicans blocked his nomination.

Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson, who also serves on the D.C Circuit, said in a statement Saturday that complaints had been filed against Kavanaugh. She characterized them as related to comments he made during his confirmation hearings and not to conduct as a federal judge.

Under federal law, any person may file a complaint against any federal judge in the circuit on which he or she sits. Those complaints are then reviewed, and if they are found to have merit, a special committee investigates further.

Kavanaugh was sworn in Saturday shortly after his confirmation and began hearing Supreme Court cases on Tuesday.
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cinepro wrote:I think you're a little mixed up on what "corroborating evidence" is


Well you can think that if you want. This is America. You have the right to be wrong.
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cinepro wrote:
canpakes wrote:Any person that announces to the Nation that the Clintons are out to get him shouldn’t be in a position to make decisions that could affect over 300 million people.

I'm not sure Kavanaugh was saying "the Clintons are out to get him."

It's revenge "on behalf of", not "revenge at the hands of."

OK, so there’s a mysterious cabal of individuals out to get him on behalf of the Clintons. Kind of like how the famously conspiratorial, hair-fire ‘Clinton Kill List’ operates.

I don’t think that this explanation makes his statement or his need to have uttered it look any less nutty.
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canpakes wrote:OK, so there’s a mysterious cabal of individuals out to get him on behalf of the Clintons. Kind of like how the famously conspiratorial, hair-fire ‘Clinton Kill List’ operates.

I don’t think that this explanation makes his statement or his need to have uttered it look any less nutty.


The Resist Trump movement isn't just a few people getting together. It's a general feeling of political activism among Democrats and others. There's nothing conspiratorial to say that the treatment of Kavanaugh being on Ken Starr's team and picked by Trump is a sort of revenge, or he was targeted as a sort of payback for his political history really isn't that off the mark.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
canpakes wrote:OK, so there’s a mysterious cabal of individuals out to get him on behalf of the Clintons. Kind of like how the famously conspiratorial, hair-fire ‘Clinton Kill List’ operates.

I don’t think that this explanation makes his statement or his need to have uttered it look any less nutty.

The Resist Trump movement isn't just a few people getting together. It's a general feeling of political activism among Democrats and others. There's nothing conspiratorial to say that the treatment of Kavanaugh being on Ken Starr's team and picked by Trump is a sort of revenge, or he was targeted as a sort of payback for his political history really isn't that off the mark.

I understand the argument. But I simply don’t see the appropriateness of needling to make that claim in front of the public, and in the way that he did in that setting. This was not the behavior I’d want to see a Judge exhibit even on a lower court, let alone Supreme Court.
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Forget the Clintons. Kavanaugh went off the rails the moment he said "political hit" and it only got worse from there. He's a partisan hack.
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