Trump whistleblower complaint

[_Some Schmo]

My guess, about 70% of rational and reasonable American citizens could "actually be that gawddamned stupid."

Well... 70% of the people who have previously been influenced by a debunked conspiracy theory, anyway...

lol

[_Nomomo]

Yeah - But if the american people end up determining that this was not about the upcoming 2020 election - and was about a request for help in finally getting to the bottom of the foreign interference in the previous 2016 election - then that potential determination could compel less Americans to back impeachment.

Could there actually be people that gawddamned stupid?

My guess, about 70% of rational and reasonable American citizens could "actually be that gawddamned stupid."

I suppose you are one of those?

[_Ceeboo]

Yeah - But if the american people end up determining that this was not about the upcoming 2020 election - and was about a request for help in finally getting to the bottom of the foreign interference in the previous 2016 election - then that potential determination could compel less Americans to back impeachment.

Could there actually be people that gawddamned stupid?

My guess, about 70% of rational and reasonable American citizens could "actually be that gawddamned stupid."

I suppose you are one of those?

I suppose you are not?

[_Nomomo]

Yeah - But if the american people end up determining that this was not about the upcoming 2020 election - and was about a request for help in finally getting to the bottom of the foreign interference in the previous 2016 election - then that potential determination could compel less Americans to back impeachment.

Could there actually be people that gawddamned stupid?

My guess, about 70% of rational and reasonable American citizens could "actually be that gawddamned stupid."

I suppose you are one of those?[/quote]

I suppose you are not?

Good guess.
If you ever have the idea of becoming a predictor of poll results, I would recommend you keep your day job.

[_Res Ipsa]

Nonetheless, these results came two days before the release of the whistleblower complaint, which alleges that Trump abused his office to solicit foreign assistance in the 2020 election. Those accusations could compel more Americans to back impeachment.

Yeah - But if the american people end up determining that this was not about the upcoming 2020 election - and was about a request for help in finally getting to the bottom of the foreign interference in the previous 2016 election - then that potential determination could compel less Americans to back impeachment.

Well, the right wing media has shown itself capable of telling its, consumers that black is white, so I suppose anything’s possible. But I’ll gladly take that risk. Giuliani has been quite open about his agenda to get Ukraine to open an investigation into Biden. Ukrainian officials have said they were crystal clear that the new president could not get a phone with the President, which he desperately wanted, unless opening an investigation of Biden was on the agenda.

Sure, there will be Republican spinning like crazy. But don’t forget that Trump fought tooth and nail against ever effort to get to the bottom of what happened in the 2016 election. To my recollection, Ukraine was cooperating with Mueller until it was offered aid from the US. And if the President wants to investigate, that’s what the DOJ does. You don’t do it by sending your personal lawyer to pressure Ukraine to open an investigation against the biggest threat to your reelection.

Today, one of the Republican members of the intelligence committed publicly criticized the President for that phone call. When was the last time you saw that happen. Right now every republican senator is calculating the political cost of wearing Trump like a millstone around his neck versus being seen as putting country before party and protecting the country against a president gone rogue.

[_Res Ipsa]

Here’s the lowdown on what Trump’s weird “Crowdstrike” portion of the call. https://www.thedailybeast.com/crowdstri ... conspiracy

It’s another insane conspiracy theory from the dark corners of the internet.

[_canpakes]

... if the american people end up determining that this was not about the upcoming 2020 election - and was about a request for help in finally getting to the bottom of the foreign interference in the previous 2016 election ...

Did you think of that possibility yourself, or does it come from some media source to which you can link?

I "thought of that possibility" by reading the phone call transcript. Specifically the section where Trump asks for the favor: (pasted below)
Trump: I would like you to do us a favour though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people ... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you are surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

Ceeboo, what did you think when you read these other parts below?

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. So whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it...It sounds horrible to me."

... and ...

"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair, ... A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved."

We’re those comments about the 2016 election?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ceeboo's 'transcript' isn't a transcript. It's a memorandum cobbled together from notes taken by administration staffers, and then released to the public for maximum damage control. The only thing they did successfully was to give their base something to hold onto. After reading the whistleblower's complaint there just shouldn't be any doubt what Trump, his aides, Giuliani, and Barr were up to.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and note hat Ceeboo can't explain why Biden's campaign is over now that the whistleblower's complaint has been released. I also want to note that he's a verified liar.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ceeboo couldn't find his reflection in a house of mirrors, and we're expecting him to understand the problem with Trump's shakedown? Give me a break.

In case any Conservatives with a sense of integrity can hold their attention span for two minutes here's a nice summary of the events surrounding the complaint:

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... d/f1jflat/

In a phone call on July 25 2019 with newly elected Ukrainian President Zelensky, President Trump attempted to solicit the support of a foreign government and may be in violation of Federal Campaign Finance Laws.[1] In a mafiaso style shakedown following President Zelensky asking about military aid Trump segued the conversation into requesting an investigation on trumped up charges against one of his political opponents. A month before this phone call in June the Pentagon announced plans to provide $250 million to Ukraine in security cooperation funds for things such as training and equipment in an attempt to build the capacity of Ukraine's armed forces following Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.[2] The State Department announced plans to provide $141 million in aid.[3] However, the Trump administration decided to freeze this aid days before the phone call with President Zelensky.[4] The White House attempted to mislead by claiming that aid was frozen due to corruption in Ukraine, however NPR obtained a letter from the Pentagon certifying that Ukraine had taken action to decrease corruption.[5]

So why are the United States and Western Allies sending aid to Ukraine? In 1994 former Soviet Union member states including Ukraine signed the Budapest Memorandum. It was a diplomatic memorandum under which Ukraine removed all Soviet-era nuclear weapons and signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. In return for these concessions the former Soviet state consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state by applying the principles in a Cold War era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union. Russia violated this agreement in 2014 when they invaded Ukraine.[6] It should also be noted that President Trump has repeatedly lied that Europe is not providing Ukraine with aid.[7]

Following the phone call a whistleblower from DNI filed a complaint that stated President Trump "using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the US 2020 election," characterizing the conduct as a "serious or flagrant problem, abuse, or violation of law". President Trump has been attempting to cover all of this up.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

The polling doesn't take into account today's developments, but the majority of the country now favors impeachment in polling. It's hard to disentangle how much of that is this specific story and how much of it is because of Democrats finally backing impeachment proceedings, but this is exactly what impeachment advocates said would happen.