President and FLOTUS Test Positive for Covid-19

[_Gunnar]

I agree with every thing you said, but I think you meant the word "fazed"

Red Alert! Sensors are picking up a Grammarian on Deck 7 -- set fazers to 'stun'!

You missed! I remain unfazed! :biggrin:

[_Jersey Girl]

I really hope he's following the same pattern as others and is currently feeling better before the crash. He needs to feel the full impact of COVID.

Come on, you stupid virus. Do your thing. Teach that fat fu-ck a lesson.

I have to admit I've been thinking along those lines myself today and while I know it's wrong of me, I also recognize that I'm human so there is that.

I can't not believe how he's handled this. Any normal human being (there's your clue right there) would have been humbled by the experience. Trump? Oh no, he goes riding around in a hermetically sealed chamber on wheels with his SS folks to put on a show and then when he's released, the POSUS (that's not a typo) be bops over to the White House and pulls of his mask for a photo op when he's still CONTAGIOUS.

What an example! What a guy! What a reprehensible recidivist ratbag*!


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[_honorentheos]

When I was leaving Mormonism I had some interest in Buddhism up to the point I moved past the fluff and into the real doctrinal religion. Turned out karma and reincarnation are foundational in similar ways belief in the restoration and the Old Testament are to the Mormon church. You can reduce it down to a source of wisdom teachings but you can't take it seriously as a source of uniquely insightful information different from any other wisdom source that has shown some staying power without picking up both ends of the stick of belief. Or standing around with one end of a stick stuck in the ground I guess...

Point being, I don't believe in karma nor do I believe in God. Indifferent cosmos or otherwise this is about odds. He's old and has underlying conditions on the one hand, but he has the absolute best medical attention with the benefit of 7 months of fighting this. I don't recall hearing of many very wealthy people having died of Covid by name except a celebrity here or there, but it strikes me given the number of people who have died globally from the illness that alone says something about the odds. Early access to good health care seems to matter in shifting the odds.

[_Jersey Girl]

Has anyone seen this? He's not breathing normally here, you can see him suppress a cough at least once, and he's struggling to maintain balance. And yes, I know he climbed stairs. But still...he should still be in the hospital. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he tanks within the next 48 hours. He's a complete idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuiUk03MUfs

[_MeDotOrg]

Has anyone seen this? He's not breathing normally here, you can see him suppress a cough at least once, and he's struggling to maintain balance. And yes, I know he climbed stairs. But still...he should still be in the hospital. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he tanks within the next 48 hours. He's a complete idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuiUk03MUfs

It's like he fears losing control of his image, and by heroically standing on the balcony (and having it re-shot), I think you know where's he's going: Virility. He is a strong President. He has conquered the virus, as we will conquer the virus.

I always say that Trump lives in the 'transactional now', and the incident on the balcony is a classic example. We're not supposed to remember how Trump's callous disregard for the rules led to the conditions of his own infection, nor all of the thousand of man-hours and medical resources consumed by his illness. No. Remember none of that. Remember the President, standing strong, having defeated the virus. The transactional now, standing heroically on the balcony, is what counts.

by the way, The White House has declined the assistance of the CDC to do contact tracing for the attendees of the Rose Garden ceremony considered a super-spreader event.

Yay science.

[_Gunnar]

It also seems like he would literally rather risk death itself than admit to having been mistaken about anything. I also think it not improbable that his cognitive processes are being increasingly compromised by steadily worsening dementia. The covid-19 itself could be contributing to the dementia.

A new study, published in the journal Lancet Psychiatry, has added new complications linked to COVID-19. Researchers found that the disease can damage the brain.

If left untreated, patients may suffer from complications like stroke and inflammation. The study also found that severe infections could also lead to psychosis and dementia-like symptoms, Reuters reported.

[_Jersey Girl]

Gunnar I don't think he has dementia at all though you know he could have a medication side effect. I think what we're seeing is a malignant narcissist with his back against the wall, trying to maintain position and power. I encourage anyone here to study up on narcissistic personality disorder. Narcissists imitate what they think people will accept as normal or as strength.

The most recent examples are him holding up the Bible in front of St.John's Church. He had his people violently clear the area of peaceful protesters, walked through the street (where he knew he'd face no opposition nor conflict), and stood in front of the church holding up the Bible and said exactly nothing.

Was that supposed to mean something someone?

Now look at this recent photo op where he's climbed the stairs to the balcony outside the White House residence, he stands there and gives a thumbs up, and salutes several times. Salutes what? The flags are standing behind him.

Was that supposed to mean something to someone?

The man is standing there basically gasping for breath, suppressing a cough, he is struggling to maintain physical balance and he stands there and salutes.

Neither of those two actions means anything to anyone at all.

But he thinks it "looks good". So he does it. Did he think that standing there and saluting "something" made him look like a general fresh off the battlefield or something? Is there a flag there? Is he saluting the Marine One crew? Who knows? It's not at all clear.

What he doesn't consider (because he's faking what he thinks portrays strength) is that he's a fully contagious Covid 19 patient who pulled off his mask with a White House photographer standing behind him, and then walks into the residence where there are staff waiting for him and he still doesn't have a mask on, when any normal person knows he's doing something entirely stupid. But he doesn't know it.

He thinks he's projecting the strength of a great leader during a pandemic when he's forgotten how utterly stupid and careless he looks.

This is how stupid narc murderers are in the cases that I follow. This is how stupid Trump is. But where the run of the mill narc murderers are typically covert narcissists and everyone around them thinks their such nice people who couldn't possibly kill anyone, Trump is an overt malignant narcissist who relies on a full compliment of flying monkeys (look that up) to cover his ass by lying, denying and spinning, even when he does outright stupid crap in public and ignores the path of destruction he leaves behind him and around him including the numerous staffers, etc., who have tested positive for the virus in the past few days!

The President of the United States of America stood there this evening and thumbed his nose at the medical experts on the task force, at Pence who is the head of the task force (oh and is also VP let's not forget that), and tried to downplay the virus to the nation to make himself look good, strong, and not incompetent, (because even though he totally botched the pandemic response we shouldn't let it dominate our life--and death), he doesn't want to appear weak, and all the while he's gasping for air.

I mean he even let the WR doctors look like idiots for him. Then he goes apesh-it on Mark Meadows for telling the truth.

I don't wish death on anyone, not even Trump. But I have to tell you (God forgive me) there is a large part of me right now that hope he tanks enough to where he has to be re-admitted just so he cannot avoid being confronted with his own weakness and stupidity. I'm talking being transported via airlift on a gurney here. So he essentially falls flat on his face in full public view. Or let him pass out and actually fall flat on his face.

The whole administration is botching the Covid response in real time while one by one they test positive and show no interest in contact tracing. Something really has got to give. I try to practice patience but I'm obviously failing at that.

[_ajax18]

I don't recall hearing of many very wealthy people having died of Covid by name except a celebrity here or there,

Being white seems to help you beat the condition as well. That's not because of white privilege as most of you would claim but rather the fact that vitamin D deficiency can make you a lot more susceptible to Covid. Herman Kaine died from it and he had the same views on it as President Trump.

[_Jersey Girl]

These are the words tweeted by the man who claims he went to real school and gets it. His tweet was removed by Twitter on account of it containing false information.

“Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu,” Trump wrote. “Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/0 ... son-426712

Now. He had a chance to at least partially redeem himself. Not that that partial redemption would have mattered to the people who grieve the loss of 214,388 people who didn't learn to live with it, but instead DIED from it.

This man has at his beckon call, the world's foremost experts on infectious diseases. He has the power to use the DPA to produce all the PPE this country needs or even freaking Clorox wipes if he wants to. He has a task force made up by experts and headed up by his own Vice President.

Does he get it now?

Of course not. He continues to pedal outright falsehood about a lethal virus to the point where social media outlets have to police the President of the United States. He fails to recognize his own mishandling of the pandemic response, he fails to recognize that he just got top of the line medical treatment that is NOT available to the average citizen as they try to learn to live with it, he models reckless behavior while contagious himself, he has elevated his political interests over that of the American public whom he is charged with serving and in my view...

he has shown himself as, in no uncertain terms, facilitating negligent homicide.

I hope he gets his due in whatever way the God I believe in sees fit to deal out to him.

Oh and remember those masks he claimed to be sending to all the schools nationwide? Didn't happen. He can straight up go “F” himself now and forever so far as I am concerned.

[_ajax18]

It's easy to say just close the country down when you're check is coming in the mail whether people are allowed to go to work or not. For the rest of us, there are things far worse than death.