Kavanaugh and Perjury

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Water Dog wrote:Roll call, everybody still here?

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The alleged plot was disrupted, the feds said, after they questioned Rosenfeld a day earlier and he admitted to a sprawling plot supposedly inspired by his fervent belief in "sortition." That's the (ancient Greek) idea that politicians should be randomly selected from the body politic—possibly incentivizing regular people to be less ignorant of the issues at play, since they can't rely as much on professional politicians.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pa9v4k/this-guy-made-a-200-pound-bomb-to-promote-his-bizarre-ideology-feds-say
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I never knew that Andrew Breitbart was actually a California liberal Democrat at one time. It wasn't until he watched the Clarence Thomas hearings that he was inspired to rethink his politics. Perhaps other young liberals are rethinking their politics in response to the Kavanaugh confirmation fiasco.
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I don't think William F. Buckley anticiapted that somebody someday would become a suicide bomber to promote his line that you could get a better set of representatives by picking random names out of a phone book.
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I'm looking forward to November, just to see if all the Twittering actually made a difference.

Oh, and I just received my mail-in ballot. I'll let everyone know how I voted.

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I'll just put it out there that writing out Rapublican is not a message that I think the GOP and its base are pro-rape. It's a message saying that rape is secondary in importance to things like tax cuts and limited immigration in GOP world, and they're willing to overlook rape allegations for their policy positions.

I don't know what anyone else means by it, but that's what it means to me, and I don't give a damn what people think of me for saying it. It speaks to a particular truth in this country, and I'll repeat it until that changes.
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ajax18 wrote:Perhaps other young liberals are rethinking their politics in response to the Kavanaugh confirmation fiasco.

Sorry, got no time to do that; gotta get down to the Urgent Care to have this black lung thing checked out. MAGA!
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Liberals do believe all suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

Manhattan’s district attorney has decided to drop part of the criminal case against Harvey Weinstein.

The development was announced in court on Thursday with Weinstein looking on.

The thrown-out charge involves allegations made by one of the three accusers in the case, Lucia Evans, who was among the first women to publicly accuse Weinstein of sexual assault.

In an exposé published in the New Yorker a year ago on Wednesday, Evans accused Weinstein of forcing her to perform oral sex when they met alone in his office in 2004 to discuss her fledgling acting career. At the time, Evans was a 21-year-old college student.

Assistant district attorney Joan Illuzzi-Orbon told the judge that prosecutors would not oppose dismissal of the count in the case involving Evans. She insisted the rest of the case, involving two other accusers, was strong.

“In short, your honor, we are moving full steam ahead,” she said.

Weinstein’s lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told the judge he believed Evans had lied to the grand jury. He also said he believed a police detective had corruptly attempted to influence the case by keeping a witness from testifying about her misstatements.

“The integrity of these proceedings has been compromised,” he said.

Weinstein’s lawyers and prosecutors had been wrangling over the part of the indictment pertaining to Evans’ allegations over the last few weeks in closed-door meetings and sealed court papers.

Some media outlets reported that there were problems with witness interviews done by one of the lead police detectives handling the investigation. Others said prosecutors had discovered old personal writings by Evans in which she suggested her encounter with Weinstein was consensual.

In a statement, a lawyer for Evans said she was disappointed by the DA’s decision to “abandon” her.

“Let me be clear: the decision to throw away my client’s sexual assault charges says nothing about Weinstein’s guilt or innocence. Nor does it reflect on Lucia’s consistent allegation that she was sexually assaulted with force by Harvey Weinstein,” said attorney Carrie Goldberg. “It only speaks volumes about the Manhattan DA’s office and its mishandling of my client’s case.”

Weinstein, who has denied all allegations of non-consensual sex, still faces charges over allegations that he raped an unidentified woman in his hotel room in 2013 and performed a forcible sex act on a different woman in 2006.


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Has anyone else here seen this yet? Chief Justice John Roberts Refers Brett Kavanaugh For Judicial Misconduct Investigation

The Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court John Roberts has now referred Brett Kavanaugh for investigation. This news comes after the story broke that Roberts had been sitting on complaints forwarded to him by the lower court for several weeks, refusing to act on them. If these investigations are thorough enough, we may not have to wait for Democrats to regain control of Congress to get Kavanaugh off the bench. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.

Just because Brett Kavanaugh is now sitting on the U.S. Supreme Court, he passed his Senate confirmation, that doesn't actually mean that the guy is out of the woods yet. In fact, on Wednesday of this week, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts forwarded more than a dozen complaints of judicial misconduct against Kavanaugh to a Colorado court of appeals for them to investigate. Now, the reason Roberts even did this was because he had been sitting on those complaints, which came from the D.C. Circuit where Kavanaugh was previously sitting. He had been sitting on them for weeks.

You had Judge Karen Henderson, who is an appointee of George H.W. Bush, George Bush, Sr, sitting on that bench. She had compiled this list of judicial misconduct complaints against Brett Kavanaugh, and sent them to John Roberts, and said, "Hey, here are some things that need to be investigated about this guy, but we can't do it, obviously, because he sits on this bench. We're a little too close to him, so we need you to figure out who can investigate these claims and go from there." Roberts did nothing. He did not make these judicial misconduct complaints public. He just sat on them until this week, once the story broke that he actually had them.

Now, most of these complaints are actually related to things that Brett Kavanaugh said during his Senate testimonies, which means the court where he was sitting saw his testimony, realized that he was making statements that were most likely false, and they believed that that should probably be something they should look into, because perjury is actually a pretty big deal. Now, we know, based on these complaints, based on the fact-checkers who looked at his speech, there were no fewer than nine false statements given by Brett Kavanaugh during his Senate testimony.

We have to remember that perjury is perjury. It doesn't matter if he's lying about something small, like, "Oh, no, I've never had a beer in my life," or something large, like, "No, I didn't kill that guy. No, not at all." Perjury is perjury, no matter how big or small the lie actually is. Some of the things that Kavanaugh lied about, obviously kind of minor, most of them having to do about his drinking, but there's also some pretty serious lies in there, like the ones about not having any idea or any involvement in the stolen email scandal from Democratic senators in 2004. He was directly involved in that. His name is in the emails. He knew what he was getting. He knew that they were stolen, and he lied to the Senate about it.

John Roberts did the right thing, but he only did the right thing because the public pressure on him was growing too great. Let's hope that this Colorado court out there that's going to be investigating these, let's hope that they can conduct a thorough yet quick investigation so that maybe we can get Kavanaugh off this court before he's ever able to issue his first real opinion on the Supreme Court.

Please note that the one who forwarded the complaints to Justice Roberts is no Democrat. She was appointed by George H.W. Bush.
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More on this even from Fox News: I can hardly wait to see how Trump responds to this latest development. This Kavanaugh drama might not be over yet!
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The Kavanaugh drama is much better for Republicans than, say, talking about that one-bleeping day story wherein the President of the United States was revealed to have built his image as a (mostly) self-made billionaire on crime and lies or that major scientific report indicating that the earth is on track to unconscionable catastrophe because of *checks notes* policies Republicans doggedly pursue.
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