Report: Flynn to Implicate Trump (Holy Crap)

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Water Dog wrote:Doc, what is your point? Yes, a lot of people have clearances. But they are still relatively few in number.

That makes no sense in context of this discussion, whatsoever. Millions upon millions of people have clearances. It's weird that Jared Kushner is still working on an Interim Secret. AFTER A YEAR.

Unless you have some special insights my original points stand. There are any number of reasons for the delay in Jared's adjudication process, none of which suggest he's a freaking government spy for Russia.

Straw man. Wasn't suggested.

You're pushing fake news here. You insinuate something must be amiss, without anything to substantiate this. If you actually have OPM experience as you have stated, then you know this to be true. His delay could frankly be as simple as having a difficult time explaining his business relationships and related finances in the archaic SF86 reporting system.

I literally suggested that as one of my points, which, actually backs up my point that Jenn Kamp has problematic business interests and relationships that are preventing him from getting a clearance. Thanks for backing that up.

As you know it's a clunky form and they freak out if you don't perfectly dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

That's literally not true.

It may have been kicked back, multiple times.

Oh, is it in the adjudication process or has it been kicked back multiple times? You literally don't know what you're talking about, but here you are just pounding out a bunch of words. It's the oddest thing to see someone who is ignorant about an issue double, triple, and quadruple down. Weird.

And there is also no way to know how aggressively Jared is himself pursuing a clearance, the speed with which he responds to requests for information, etc.

If I were him I wouldn't bother with it.

Which also speaks to my other point that people who haven't seen the insides of the government really don't understand in context what it's like.

And it doesn't help when you're full of crap and talking like you know what the Screw you're talking about. You're literally spreading disinformation and you're metaphorically talking out your ass.

When you're ready to get serious and explain how my analysis of the hacking problem is wrong though, I'm all ears.

Start a new thread so we can stick to the topic.


This is WD's problem. He has an inkling of how something might work, but talks as if he has the truth or some special knowledge not available to others. He's literally ignorant on security clearance background investigations, the adjudication process, and everything in between. But, here he is doubling down that because he's been granted a clearance he knows enough about the process to dismiss the point that Jared Kushner working on an Interim Secret clearance, a year into his FIL's Presidency, isn't a big deal.

It's crap like that just drives me crazy about pro-Trump types. They don't know what the “F” they're talking about. They double down. They lie. And when you challenge them they can't stay on point and discuss the point to resolution. They just saddle up and Gish Gallop the crap out of the conversation.

Ridiculous.

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To be fair, since specific allegations about persons further up the food chain have not yet been brought by Mueller or the House and Senate Committees. But I think what we are watching looks like the development of the pattern in a conspiracy cases, where you start lower down and then build. Again, it's a pattern, and the boxes have not yet been filled in.

In fairness, since they're haven't been indictments beyond Popadopolis, Manafort and Flynn, we have not heard anyone else's defenses yet, either.

Except for the President.

"I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI," Trump tweeted at 9:14 a.m. on Saturday. "He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!"

The question immediately brought up in the media was this: If the President knew that Flynn had lied to the FBI, and he then tried to stop the FBI investigating Flynn, isn't that evidence of obstruction of justice?

Oops!

The White has has declared that his tweets be considered official. So, how does Trump handle the situation? Simple. He denies he wrote the tweet. His lawyer did. John Dowd, 'drafted' the tweet and did 'a sloppy job'.

John Dowd was a trial lawyer for the Department of Justice's Organized Crime Unit.

Raise your hand if you think John Dowd wrote Trump's Tweet.
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John Dowd wrote that tweet with Trump-style spelling errors and all. So the official version of events is Dowd was tapped to draft an intemperate tweet about the situation in a day when the president is flying off the handle on the subject, accidentally incriminates the president in his draft with false information, and the president forwards it along anyway. Sounds legit.

The best part of all that is that being the President Trump's attorney means being forced to go in front of the entire nation and declare yourself to be one of the least competent lawyers in the country. Seems fitting.
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Mike Flynn was not the "Coffee Boy".
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Water Dog wrote:*cracks knuckles*

Ok, doc, I guess we'll just wait and see :) According to you, Kushner will not get a clearance.

I literally didn't say that.

His having not gotten one up to this point is proof he's a russian spy, or something.

If that's what you need to type in order to distract from the fact you've been 100% wrong on a couple of points then more power to you, my man.

The only conceivable reason he hasn't gotten a clearance is nefarious stuff in his background, you argue.

I don't think a conflict of interest or foreign business connections or foreign investments or a few other considerations taken from the SF-86 necessarily mean it's nefarious. It's a problem, though.

I say it means nothing, meaning there is nothing we can infer from this, a myriad of reasons for the delay. He will obtain a clearance. Time will tell which one of us is right. I will be happy to come here, eat crow, and say I was wrong if that turns out to be the case.

I don't know. I mean he's omitted over 100 foreign contacts, resubmitted his packet multiple times, and because of his sheer volume of connections to foreign investors the real question is why he hasn't been denied. I'd like to know why, when it's pretty much a cut and dry "DON'T GIVE THIS MAN A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE" scenario, the decision to deny him a clearance hasn't been made.

Maybe there is more to it. Maybe not. I'd love to be in the inner circle of the investigative and adjudicative process.


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Whataboutism at its finest.
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The CCC wrote:Whataboutism at its finest.


On this board, we have the best whataboutism!
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