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Kishkumen wrote:
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Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:57 pm
The problems that I mention don’t include a claim that he did, yet are extremely concerning for similar reasons when the whole transcript is read:

1. Trump’s repeated equivocation, as if trying to placate a particular side, and,

2. Trump’s repeated pointing to the ‘radical left’, when asked to address the actions of white nationalist/neonazi protest participants.
I think the equivocation that you see comes from his recognition of the fact that many of his Southern voters don't agree with taking down Confederate monuments. I also do believe he sees a bias against the extreme political right that comes in the form of not recognizing the violence of the extreme political left. Now, I think he is engaging in exactly the low-IQ false equivalence that makes him unfit for office, but I am not sure he is bright enough to be devious in his own rhetoric. I just don't give him that much credit for being smart. He is a dumb bigot.
I agree with the idea that he’s pushing back versus complimenting neonazis, but he picked the worst time to do it, and managed the ‘message’ very poorly. It would be as if after any of the so-called BLM riots, Biden would respond with “but what about the neonazis?” when asked his opinion on any damage, or loss of life.

Ceebs can do that if he wishes, but it’s the thinnest of defenses, based on a technicality of dubious merit, when the entire transcript is considered.
I am not defending ceeboo so much as trying to understand where he is coming from instead of seeing how I can condemn him. I think you give Trump too much credit. Trump is a dumb bigot. His words read like the words of a dumb bigot. The ramifications of his sloppy, bigoted stupidity are damaging beyond his capability to form the intent imputed to him by others.
I’m not interested in condemning Ceeboo, but neither am I’m interested in accommodating without question his extremely large blinders, regardless of the reason for being worn. : )

This is exactly the problem.
It is, but it is not exactly the situation as it is being made out by your reading of his words.
I understand where you’re coming from. We can disagree on the mechanics of the analysis (and I’d trust your learned take on that over my own janky thinking any day), but the results are no less dangerous, in my opinion.
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canpakes wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:57 pm
I agree with the idea that he’s pushing back versus complimenting neonazis, but he picked the worst time to do it, and managed the ‘message’ very poorly. It would be as if after any of the so-called BLM riots, Biden would respond with “but what about the neonazis?” when asked his opinion on any damage, or loss of life.
Yeah. OK. I think we are of a very similar mind here.

I’m not interested in condemning Ceeboo, but neither am I’m interested in accommodating without question his extremely large blinders, regardless of the reason for being worn. : )
Fair enough.

I understand where you’re coming from. We can disagree on the mechanics of the analysis (and I’d trust your learned take on that over my own janky thinking any day), but the results are no less dangerous, in my opinion.
OK. I may have misunderstood you. I think we are of a very similar mindset on this question.
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:23 pm
Marcus wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:09 pm

What do you think of the img Doc posted about Trump's speech? Do you think that speech 'undergirds the toxic divisiveness'?
I don't need to think about the img Doc posted to recognize how many times Trump has been toxic and divisive. I just don't stop at Trump and only Trump. 99% of our modern politicians are extremely toxic and divisive - This includes, but is not limited to, our current President, Biden - Who is clearly toxic and divisive.
These damn Democrats being divisive again!

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with regard to to the "Tampon Tim" deal. I want to say this. When I was in public high school there were vending machines in the girl's bathrooms for products as follows: Tampons, pads, and condoms.

So Mr. Trump can pretty much stuff it on the issue he imagines is an issue.
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In another episode of “Democrats Being Divisive”:

https://dailyboulder.com/Trump-warns-it ... -get-hurt/
Trump Warns It’s ‘Very Dangerous’ For Kamala Harris Voters to Identify Themselves, Because They’ll ‘Get Hurt’
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:41 pm
In another episode of “Democrats Being Divisive”:

https://dailyboulder.com/Trump-warns-it ... -get-hurt/
Trump Warns It’s ‘Very Dangerous’ For Kamala Harris Voters to Identify Themselves, Because They’ll ‘Get Hurt’
At the rally, Trump posed a rhetorical question to attendees: “Is there anybody here who’s going to vote for lyin’ Kamala?” He quickly added, “Actually, I should say don’t raise your hand; it would be very dangerous. We don’t want to see anybody get hurt. Please don’t raise your hand.”
How did we get to the point where this kind of ridiculous nonsense is tolerated?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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I believe it was Some Schmo who told us that every accusation is a confession.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:59 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:32 pm
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I believe it was Some Schmo who told us that every accusation is a confession.
Yep. Take those things he says and put him in place of the person he is attempting to defame. It's got "me" written all over it. Without a doubt Trump knows he's one messed up cookie. During the Presidential debate with Harris, Harris inflicted a number of narcisstistic injuries to him. Following that, he went completely ballistic. No surprises there.
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Republicans still want Trump as the Führer and view his faults as strengths.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:59 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:32 pm
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I believe it was Some Schmo who told us that every accusation is a confession.
It’s personally amazing to me how strong this pattern is with Trump. He accuses Harris of taking FEMA “stealing” disaster funds and using it for immigration purposes. Not only is that false, but Trump actually “stole” disaster funds and used them for immigration purposes. Trump accused Harris of denying disaster assistance to Republicans. Not only is that false, Trump tried to withhold disaster relief when he thought the assistance would only benefit Democrats.

I think most of us project from time to time because we map our thinking and behavior onto others. But it’s kind of crazy how often Trump does it. It’s almost as if he is unaware that others do not think and act as he does.
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