Trump and Harvard

[canpakes]

(God) gave Israel to the Jews, and according to God it is their land. From the Euphrates River and the Mediterranean Sea (the river to the sea) is their promised land.

The property description sounds pretty vague here, especially the northern and southern limits, and I’d like to confirm the legal lot lines. Schedule a survey, and we can discuss the results.

[Markk]

God, in the Old Testament, was very protective of Israel, as His chosen people, the apple of His eye." He gave Israel to the Jews, and according to God it is their land. From the Euphrates River and the Mediterranean Sea (the river to the sea) is their promised land. The land that Moses could not enter and Joshua led them in.

Israel was disobedient then, and they are today in that most Jews are agnostic at best, and in the Bible God is going to deal with Israel....but that does no erase that according to the Bible, the Land is theirs.

I do not believe that any more than I believe in the tooth fairy. Nor do I believe that God commanded the Israelites to utterly destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, infants and all their livestock. That was no more than a myth invented by the Israelites after the fact to justify and salve their consciences for atrocities they or their ancestors had already committed. Stories like that are among the strongest reasons why I reject that the Bible is any more divinely inspired by a just God than anything else that has ever been written. The Bible is a remarkable book that greatly influenced our civilization both for good and bad. One can hardly consider oneself to be adequately educated with at least a passing acquaintance with its contents, but it contains both authentic history and mythology, both truth and fiction, both inspiring wisdom and nonsense. But I have long ago given up the conviction that it is any more or less the word of mortal humans than anything else that has ever been written.

I deplore the horrible treatment and the long historical discrimination against the Jews, and most especially the Nazi inspired Holocaust during WWII, but I deplore just as much the current atrocities committed by Israel's IDF against the Palestinians in Gaza. There are many Jews who feel the same way, so it is not antisemitic to criticize the extremes being taken by the nation of Israel in Gaza, unless one points out that the Arabs being mercilessly killed there are just as much Semitic as the Jews themselves. Certainly, the Hamas attack on Jews on October 7 was horrible and atrocious, but the over-the-top indiscriminate reactions of Israel against all Gazans, both Muslim, Christian and otherwise are at least as bad and are justly condemned by both non-Jews and many Jews--even within Israel.

Noted.

[Markk]

Did you read the articles and watch the videos? Yes students, and also faculty, in fact even the president of Harvard.



That is just nonsense. If the cites mayor and council members were supporting the skins heads, and failed to protect the citizens, and it was an occurring event, and if the mayor more or less said the call for genocide by the skinheads are debatable depending on context, to congress, then that might be comparable to what occurred at Harvard. Again you example is nonsense and just a stretch.

Your continued inability to even apply one ounce of critical thought to the issue, and to watch and read the evidences, let alone have a objective conversation about the topic, is apparent.

Facts remain, Gay resigned because of her handling of antisemitism on campus, and Harvard settled lawsuits from Jewish students claiming they were not protected from it on campus.

None of this supports your claim that Harvard supports antisemitism.

Case in point: when students (and non-students) supporting Israel and wielding sticks attacked students supporting Palestinians at UCLA just over a month ago.

What does that say about UCLA?

It’s that simple.

Link please? Are you talking about the pro Jewish protesters who attacked the Pro Palestinian protesters who were camped on campus? Again link please. I think they are being sued by both groups for failing to protect then respectively.

My claims are supported by the links and evidences I have provided for you to watch and read. Have you watched and read them?

[canpakes]

Link please? Are you talking about the pro Jewish protesters who attacked the Pro Palestinian protesters who were camped on campus? Again link please. I think they are being sued by both groups for failing to protect then respectively.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/01/gaza-pr ... -york.html

Your last sentence speaks to my point. Is *UCLA* ‘promoting’ both antisemitism and anti Palestinianism? Or is something else happening here?

My claims are supported by the links and evidences I have provided for you to watch and read. Have you watched and read them?

Your claim that Harvard ‘promotes antisemitism’ remains unsupported.

[Markk]

Cakes this is what you wrote....

Case in point: when students (and non-students) supporting Israel and wielding sticks attacked students supporting Palestinians at UCLA just over a month ago.

The article reads it was not a month ago, but a year ago. And you put a spin on the what actually happened, given there was violence on both sides. If I would not have asked for the link, then folks would have gotten the wrong impression, like I did given you got the timing off by a year, and I living a few hours from UCLA would have heard about something you described.

That aside...

The article speaks from both sides, and different universities attacking each other.

In regards to UCLA being antisemitic, there is evidences of that, and there were and I believe still lawsuits open accusing them of antisemitism and anti Arab prejudice.

One lawsuit, which included three students and a Jewish faculty member...that the school was not protecting them.
"
A federal judge on Tuesday admonished UCLA for its handling of pro-Palestinian encampments and ordered the university to ensure equal access to Jewish students, three of whom alleged in a lawsuit that the university enabled protesters to block Jews from parts of campus because of their faith.

In issuing his preliminary injunction, U.S. District Judge Mark C. Scarsi sided with the students, whose June suit said the university helped to enforce a “Jew Exclusion Zone” on campus during pro-Palestinian protests when UCLA erected bike rack barriers around an encampment. Also, the suit alleged that UCLA hired security guards who allowed protesters to cross into the encampment, but not Jewish students. "

What does that say about UCLA?

It says that there was antisemitism going on at UCLA. In the video below it shows fights, and shows a person draping a Palestinian flag like a cape, beating a Jewish protestor with a stick.

This one shows how, after Trump threatened holding federal funds, that UCLA is now taking measures to combat the antisemitism that was happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6rW-5xb2oY

This one a student expresses there concerns with the safety for themselves and how UCLA issued wristbands that only pro Palestinian could where to enter the encampment areas, which is a obvious support for that encampment, instead of just having it removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxE16ywDCmo

This one is about an continuing antisemitic trend, at UCLA, at the time of the report, and speaks of what a Jewish task force found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNl_pL9Ddk

Cakes.....did you read and listen the to articles and videos I am presenting to you? 3rd of 4th request. Here are more for your review.

[Gunnar]

I do not believe that any more than I believe in the tooth fairy. Nor do I believe that God commanded the Israelites to utterly destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, infants and all their livestock. That was no more than a myth invented by the Israelites after the fact to justify and salve their consciences for atrocities they or their ancestors had already committed. Stories like that are among the strongest reasons why I reject that the Bible is any more divinely inspired by a just God than anything else that has ever been written. The Bible is a remarkable book that greatly influenced our civilization both for good and bad. One can hardly consider oneself to be adequately educated without at least a passing acquaintance with its contents, but it contains both authentic history and mythology, both truth and fiction, both inspiring wisdom and nonsense. But I have long ago given up the conviction that it is any more or less the word of mortal humans than anything else that has ever been written.

I deplore the horrible treatment and the long historical discrimination against the Jews, and most especially the Nazi inspired Holocaust during WWII, but I deplore just as much the current atrocities committed by Israel's IDF against the Palestinians in Gaza. There are many Jews who feel the same way, so it is not antisemitic to criticize the extremes being taken by the nation of Israel in Gaza, unless one points out that the Arabs being mercilessly killed there are just as much Semitic as the Jews themselves. Certainly, the Hamas attack on Jews on October 7 was horrible and atrocious, but the over-the-top indiscriminate reactions of Israel against all Gazans, both Muslim, Christian and otherwise are at least as bad and are justly condemned by both non-Jews and many Jews--even within Israel.

Noted.

I just inserted a correction to my post that you quoted. The highlighted word "without" is what I originally meant to use rather than just the word "with." I apologize for my initial error. It seems you managed to figure out that's what I meant. Thank you for that.

[canpakes]

The article speaks from both sides, and different universities attacking each other.

I’ve implied the wrong year. This was last year. But, I don’t think that the article is about universities battling one another. They usually use sports teams for that, not bands of Palestinian or Israeli sympathizers. : D

In regards to UCLA being antisemitic, there is evidences of that, and there were and I believe still lawsuits open accusing them of antisemitism and anti Arab prejudice.

You are hinting at the actual problem, while simultaneously mislabeling it.

Neither UCLA nor Harvard are ‘promoting antisemitism’. Both universities are being accused of not protecting one or the other side from their opponent. Both universities are being accused of ‘promoting antisemitism’ or ‘promoting anti-Palestinianism’ because the universities are allowing either side to voice an opinion. There is no acceptable position available to the university in your eyes, because the complaints from either side are exactly the same.

As example:

One lawsuit, which included three students and a Jewish faculty member...that the school was not protecting them.

And what does that ultimately mean? Sometimes students from either side will make this statement if they feel ‘uncomfortable’ or ‘unsafe’, even if there was no actual altercation or action aside from perception. The article that I linked speaks to this from the Palestinian viewpoint, as does the article below:

https://medium.com/@aprresearchgroup/an ... f4a172957b

Your stand, since you’ve committed to labeling the presence of opinions of certain students feeling ‘unsafe’ to be an indication that their university ‘promotes antisemitism’, now forces you to begrudgingly realize that you have to label the same universities as ‘anti-Muslim’ or ‘anti-Palestinian’. Then you post articles about how some universities are attempting to address antisemitism in general as proof that those same universities promote antisemitism.

Apparently, any time that any group protests in any way that makes another student feel ‘unsafe’, then - in your eyes - that university is promoting the bad thing.

Your position is nonsensical, and remains unsubstantiated.

I appreciate your need to turn every university into a safe space for conservative opinions, though, at least for the sake of total irony. I’m not surprised, though, considering that the Trump Administration’s letter sent to Harvard a few weeks back contains more safe space demands than any college DEI requirement I’ve ever seen. MAGA propaganda cannot align with either consistency or integrity, and exposes itself with its BS ‘antisemitism’ claims, while cheapening the actual history of antisemitism.

[Chap]

Your stand, since you’ve committed to labeling the presence of opinions of certain students feeling ‘unsafe’ to be an indication that their university ‘promotes antisemitism’, now forces you to begrudgingly realize that you have to label the same universities as ‘anti-Muslim’ or ‘anti-Palestinian’. Then you post articles about how some universities are attempting to address antisemitism in general as proof that those same universities promote antisemitism.

Apparently, any time that any group protests in any way that makes another student feel ‘unsafe’, then - in your eyes - that university is promoting the bad thing.

Your position is nonsensical, and remains unsubstantiated.

That sums it up pretty neatly.

[Markk]

The article speaks from both sides, and different universities attacking each other.

I’ve implied the wrong year. This was last year. But, I don’t think that the article is about universities battling one another. They usually use sports teams for that, not bands of Palestinian or Israeli sympathizers. : D

In regards to UCLA being antisemitic, there is evidences of that, and there were and I believe still lawsuits open accusing them of antisemitism and anti Arab prejudice.

You are hinting at the actual problem, while simultaneously mislabeling it.

Neither UCLA nor Harvard are ‘promoting antisemitism’. Both universities are being accused of not protecting one or the other side from their opponent. Both universities are being accused of ‘promoting antisemitism’ or ‘promoting anti-Palestinianism’ because the universities are allowing either side to voice an opinion. There is no acceptable position available to the university in your eyes, because the complaints from either side are exactly the same.

As example:

One lawsuit, which included three students and a Jewish faculty member...that the school was not protecting them.

And what does that ultimately mean? Sometimes students from either side will make this statement if they feel ‘uncomfortable’ or ‘unsafe’, even if there was no actual altercation or action aside from perception. The article that I linked speaks to this from the Palestinian viewpoint, as does the article below:

https://medium.com/@aprresearchgroup/an ... f4a172957b

Your stand, since you’ve committed to labeling the presence of opinions of certain students feeling ‘unsafe’ to be an indication that their university ‘promotes antisemitism’, now forces you to begrudgingly realize that you have to label the same universities as ‘anti-Muslim’ or ‘anti-Palestinian’. Then you post articles about how some universities are attempting to address antisemitism in general as proof that those same universities promote antisemitism.

Apparently, any time that any group protests in any way that makes another student feel ‘unsafe’, then - in your eyes - that university is promoting the bad thing.

Your position is nonsensical, and remains unsubstantiated.

I appreciate your need to turn every university into a safe space for conservative opinions, though, at least for the sake of total irony. I’m not surprised, though, considering that the Trump Administration’s letter sent to Harvard a few weeks back contains more safe space demands than any college DEI requirement I’ve ever seen. MAGA propaganda cannot align with either consistency or integrity, and exposes itself with its BS ‘antisemitism’ claims, while cheapening the actual history of antisemitism.

You ducked my question again....have you watched and read the videos, and articles I have been giving you?

[Gadianton]

It's hilarious to watch Nazis --- MAGA is the closest thing we have to a Nazi party since Hitler -- complain about anti-Semitism.