Did someone say horses?

[_Gazelam]

Liz,

Do you want them to view their father as a bitter person who turns his back on an ill sister?

Two of her kids came to stay at my parents for the summer. One of my kids asked "Who's their Mom?"

I said "My sister"

They said "You have a sister?"

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey,

Thanks for sharing that story.

I know already that my sister knows I hate her. I've heard her say a few things in that regard. Heres the hell of it though, she knows why I hate her and yet her behavior remains unchanged. Every evil action shes made in her life has always involved someone there who told her not to do it, and she does it anyway.

How do you love someone like that? Is that what Christ feels like when he deals with us? Is that a lesson I'm meant to learn? I suppose so.

I guess you can love them while still keeping them at arms length so you don't get any of their mess on you. She can be very parasitic.

Gaz

You said she knows that you hate her and yet her behavior doesn't change?

I'm going to yell now.

DOES Christ STILL LOVE YOU WHEN YOU SIN?

Maybe she needs to know that someone LOVES HER.

"And Christ died for us while we were yet sinners."

You tell me what you're supposed to learn.

Get a plane ticket.

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

Get a plane ticket.

I'll check Priceline to see if theres any flights passing by my Ivory Tower.

Gaz

[_KimberlyAnn]

Kim,

Thanks for your input on the prodigal son. That story always reminds me of the LDS film from 1990. That film focuses a great deal on the older brother.

I told you in my PM that my monster of a sister has been diagnosed with cancer. Her lymph nodes are blown up all over her body, what specific type of cancer she has they don't know just yet. I'm getting all of this information from my mom, I haven't had a conversation with my sister in nearly 16 years. It was all that time ago she made the decision to hang around low lifes and do all kinds of drugs. I've shared a few horror stories in older posts. I have a sort of dilema now in deciding that now that shes dying, do I change my tune and say a few kind words to her, maybe send her a card or something. I have to laugh, because its certainly a more horrible death than the one my brothers and I had planned for her ten years ago when we were tryign to decide if we should end my parents suffering and just do away with her.

I know that the is no salvation (exaltation) granted if I go out of this world with hardness in my heart and an unforgivning nature. So your take on the parable carries the weight of truth to it. i just wonder if I shoudl change my feeling towards her now just because shes ill. She hasnt changed at all, so should I?

In regards to the topic of removing a homosexual child from the home: I think we all make decisions every day in regards to what elements we allow in our home. We decide what shows are on our television, what books and magazines we allow. Why do we do this? Because we want a particular culture to cultivate in our homes, correct? So why would we allow an individual in our home who wants to tear down and circumvent all that youve struggled to build up?

See the bold text? Do you have any idea how sick that is? Utterly disgusting. Far more disgusting than your sister's drug addiction. Are you telling us that you actually contemplated MURDERING your sister?!

You claim she treated your parents terribly, and I don't doubt it. But who is taking in your sister when she needs a comfortable place to die? Her mother. Your mother is the Prodigal Son's loving father. You ARE the judgmental, hateful older brother. You are.

And, yeah, we all make the decision as to what elements we allow into our homes. My children are the most important "elements" in my home. Period. I'm less concerned with cultivating a particular culture than I am with cultivating particular children. Struggling to build up children is a lot of work. Throwing a non-violent minor child onto the streets seems a sure-fire way to tear her/him down. Sometimes it may be necessary to get outpatient help for addicted or violent teens. Good luck finding a treatment center that will turn your gay kid straight.

Parents have moral and legal obligations to care for their children. In my state, it is illegal to toss an under-age child onto the street. (It is not, however, illegal to be gay.) If it is determined that a parent has endangered a child (forcing a minor child to live on the streets could very well fit the definition of endangerment), then that parent is guilty of a felony. If, God forbid, you have a gay child under the age of eighteen and you throw him or her out onto the street, I hope you are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law to serve as an example of what might happen to others who make the same mistake.

You see, states have a certain culture they're trying to cultivate. It's called parental responsibility. Why would states allow individuals who refuse to comply live freely among those who do comply? We don't want those kind of bad elements living at large. That's why we put them in jail.

My interaction with you over these issues has now come to an end. I find your views intolerable.

KA

[_Dr. Shades]

I have to laugh, because its certainly a more horrible death than the one my brothers and I had planned for her ten years ago when we were tryign to decide if we should end my parents suffering and just do away with her.

Yeah, I have to laugh, too! That's some funny stuff, all right!

So, in what way were you planning to murder your sister?

And if you had, yeah, your parents' suffering would've ended, all right! Their sons murdering their daughter would've cheered them right up!

Ah, the fruits of living the Gospel of Christ, eh Gazelam?

[_beastie]

Gaz,

You dehumanize people whom you consider vile sinners. That is why you laugh at the thought of your "monster" sister's death, and it is why you could throw your own child out of your home, even knowing that it would result in your child being homeless and likely forced into prostitution.

Christ, on the other hand, was condemned by religious hypocrites of his day for associating with sinners. The religious hypocrites of the day were the ones who dehumanized vile sinners.

So whose side are you really on?

[_Tiktaalik]

CK,

(wherein Gaz would have Muslim women killed for attempting to choose their own husbands)

I have enough views of my own people disagree with without your casting false ones upon me. I never claimed that, nor would I.

Hi Gaz,

I just wanted to make clear that I never claimed that this was your position. I was pointing out what your brand of extremism often looks like when put into practice.

[_Paul Osborne]

Gaz,

Please explain to me what makes YOU Christian when it comes to showing love towards a family member that you don't particularly like. I don't care about how often you go to church or how many callings you've have or whether you believe that Jesus was the Christ. Just tell me, what makes you Christian.

Paul O

[_harmony]

Christ, on the other hand, was condemned by religious hypocrites of his day for associating with sinners. The religious hypocrites of the day were the ones who dehumanized vile sinners.

So whose side are you really on?

This was my thought too.

Christ wasn't like our Saints today. He certainly wasn't like our prophet. He didn't live in a tower high above his people. He didn't have a driver and bodyguard to keep him far away from his people. He didn't refuse to touch his people. He had no money and wanted none. He lived among the people, taught the people himself, was meek and humble and radiated love. Christ loved the sinners as much as he loved everyone else; he never excluded anyone from his love.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

Methinks the Lord would have embraced the two gentlemen who kissed at the LDS plaza in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.

Methinks the Lord would love his children, regardless of how they were made.

Methinks the Lord would buy a plane ticket to go see his sister.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me