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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 pm
I didn’t see you point out actual lies in Biden’s speech, Ajax.
Biden's statement that the Afghans weren't willing to fight was a lie. Over 50,000 Afghans have died fighting the Taliban in the last couple years.
Source that.

Research by Brown University estimates losses in the Afghan security forces at 69,000, over the two-decade span of the war.

Regardless, Afghan Security Forces weren’t willing to fight any longer past US involvement. There’s no lie in pointing that out. You just watched it happen in real time.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 pm
I didn’t see you point out actual lies in Biden’s speech, Ajax.
Biden's statement that the Afghans weren't willing to fight was a lie. Over 50,000 Afghans have died fighting the Taliban in the last couple years.
The first example is usually the one a person thinks is the best example, yet the only lie is in your own claim. You knew Biden's claims was not about whether they were willing to fight and die in the past, but now when they knew that the US was leaving, and that they were not going to win. The miscalculation was that would would continue to fight once they knew it was over. The US should have done a surge of soldiers before Biden starting making announcements of withdrawal to ensure they could at least hold Kabul until everyone is out, and Biben should not have played politics with getting soldiers out before Sept 11. It should have been done in the winter when fighting is at a minimum. I don't think Trump would have done any better.
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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:09 pm
canpakes wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:35 pm

Regardless, Afghan Security Forces weren’t willing to fight any longer past US involvement. There’s no lie in pointing that out. You just watched it happen in real time.
Hey pissboy. Even your own disgraceful rag has abandoned that drivel. Focus.
“To accuse our Afghan allies of not fighting hard enough, then to use their alleged incompetence as a smokescreen for our own, is the height of arrogance, and dishonor.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -collapse/

Reading is fundamental. You’re not reading.

“Regardless, Afghan Security Forces weren’t willing to fight any longer past US involvement. There’s no lie in pointing that out. You just watched it happen in real time.”

That’s even before you realize that my statement has nothing to do with your straw man distraction about alleged U.S. incompetence.

Better luck next time.
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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:09 pm
canpakes wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:35 pm

Regardless, Afghan Security Forces weren’t willing to fight any longer past US involvement. There’s no lie in pointing that out. You just watched it happen in real time.
Hey pissboy. Even your own disgraceful rag has abandoned that drivel. Focus.
“To accuse our Afghan allies of not fighting hard enough, then to use their alleged incompetence as a smokescreen for our own, is the height of arrogance, and dishonor.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -collapse/
The Washington Post he cited said the Afghans were not willing to fight without the Americans there. You then provide a Washington Post opinion piece basically stating the same thing. In both articles the point is clear about their unwillingness to fight without us. Even by outnumbering the Taliban and having superior arms, they didn't even fire a single shot. They laid down their guns and welcomed them in.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 pm
I didn’t see you point out actual lies in Biden’s speech, Ajax.
Biden's statement that the Afghans weren't willing to fight was a lie. Over 50,000 Afghans have died fighting the Taliban in the last couple years.
Source?

Even so, Biden was addressing their willingness to fight without US assistance in the future, not what happened in the past. So, not a lie at all.
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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:27 pm
You suck at this, pissboy. You are just a lazy apologist.
Translation:
Cultellus wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:27 pm
“Crap. I look like a fool. I’d better start calling everyone’pissboy’!”
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:46 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:14 pm


Biden's statement that the Afghans weren't willing to fight was a lie. Over 50,000 Afghans have died fighting the Taliban in the last couple years.
Source?

Even so, Biden was addressing their willingness to fight without US assistance in the future, not what happened in the past. So, not a lie at all.
Wow, Ajax is really that obtuse? It was obvious what he meant by that.
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Alf'Omega wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:54 pm
Wow, Ajax is really that obtuse?
You have no idea. However bad you think it is, how ever thoroughly thick you think a man can be, it’s much, much worse. Xanax is like a Cat 5 hurricane of willful stupidity, racial resentment, self-loathing, and envy. He’s the Teflon Don of discussmormonism, but rather than surviving scandals he survives learning. He’s the literal embodiment of fake news, hubris, and low cunning.

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Cultellus wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:43 am
Alf'Omega wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:34 pm


The Washington Post he cited said the Afghans were not willing to fight without the Americans there. You then provide a Washington Post opinion piece basically stating the same thing. In both articles the point is clear about their unwillingness to fight without us. Even by outnumbering the Taliban and having superior arms, they didn't even fire a single shot. They laid down their guns and welcomed them in.
Yeah. Great. And the point is that blaming this debacle on their troops is a crappy thing to do.
Blame?

He's just stating the hard facts. We wasted upwards over a trillion over the last two decades training and arming the Afghans who, at the end of the day, had zero interest in fighting for freedom. Not sure how that's Biden's fault.
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Alf'Omega wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:39 am
Cultellus wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:43 am


Yeah. Great. And the point is that blaming this debacle on their troops is a crappy thing to do.
Blame?

He's just stating the hard facts. We wasted upwards over a trillion over the last two decades training and arming the Afghans who, at the end of the day, had zero interest in fighting for freedom. Not sure how that's Biden's fault.
Well, sometimes the truth is crappy.
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