But they keep finding witches...

[_subgenius]

What you should do ...

What you should do is answer the question.

[_canpakes]

What you should do ...

What you should do is answer the question.

What you should have done is understood the situation well enough to realize that your question was answered even before you asked it.

You can keep asking everyone else to do the background work that you either choose not to do or are incapable of doing, but your results with that approach may not always be to your liking.

[_subgenius]

The DNC did not refuse access.

Again, the facts disagree with you...the FBI asked for access and the DNC refused...the compromise was that the DNC would hire a private firm that would share their findings.
Or perhaps you believe Comey committed perjury?
“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” the official said.
“This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.”

They hired a respected security firm, Crowdstrike, that has been used both by the DNC and RNC to gather necessary digital information.

This is an appeal to authority fallacy, and regardless does not explain why the DNC refused access to the FBI.

The FBI was satisfied with this for its own investigative purposes. This is well reported.

It was well reported that the DNC refused access to the FBI and that the FBI "settled".
“We’d always prefer to have access hands-on ourselves if that’s possible,” Comey said, noting that he didn’t know why the DNC rebuffed the FBI’s request.
again, this still does not resolve the whole "why deny the FBI access to servers that you believe were hacked by Russians?"

I just realized there’s a huge uptick in this conspiracy theory floating in right wing circles right now. That’s why you are resurrecting it here.

Your 'realization' does not dismiss the validity of the argument.

[_Chap]

The dog is trolling. He is not a serious person. If he were, he would be a liar, an oathbreaker and more. He loves to push liberals' buttons more than to communicate anything of value

Yet another case where one confronts the choice - troll or moron?

Which is the more attractive option?

[_subgenius]

You can keep asking everyone else to do the background work ...

a.k.a., asking people to be informed about the claims they make on this subject.

[_Kevin Graham]

Donald Trump's 'missing' server comments get all of the details wrong

You could take Trump's words to mean a DNC server has gone missing, but that's not true. And as for the "Pakistani gentleman," Trump is referring to a House IT staffer who did not work for the DNC and who government investigators concluded did not steal or leak computer data.

The DNC server

On July 13, the Justice Department charged 12 Russian intelligence officers with hacking the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Hillary Clinton campaign staffers.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment confirms previous findings from the U.S. intelligence community. In April 2016, Russian intelligence officials installed spying software on the computer network of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which works to elect members of the U.S. House of Representatives. The hack in turn allowed them access to 33 Democratic National Committee computers. The emails obtained through the hack were pushed out on social media beginning in June 2016, and Wikileaks soon joined that effort.

At some point, the FBI and DNC started working together to fight the hack and investigate how it happened, but DNC was slow to react to the FBI’s initial warning that their server had been compromised.

During former FBI director James Comey’s testimony to the House Intelligence Committee, Comey was asked whether the FBI had ever received the DNC’s hacked hardware.

He said they did not, but obtained access from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this, my folks tell me, was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

DNC spokeswoman Adrienne Watson told PolitiFact that the DNC cooperated with the FBI’s requests, which resulted in the DNC providing a copy of their server.

"An image of a server is the best thing to use in an investigation so that your exploration of the server does not change the evidence (just like you don’t want investigators leaving their own DNA around a physical crime scene) and so that the bad actors cannot make changes to the evidence while you are looking at it," Watson said. "Any suggestion that they were denied access to what they wanted for their investigation is completely incorrect."

We found no indication that the FBI had renewed their request to gain access to the actual server, or that investigating the server copy would have prevented the FBI from tracking down the culprits. (The FBI declined to comment.)

Imran Awan

Trump said, "What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC?"

Trump was likely referring to Imran Awan who worked in information technology for dozens of Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives, including U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the former chair of the Democratic National Committee. Trump previously referred to Awan as the "Pakistani mystery man."

Trump is wrong, though, that Awan "worked on the DNC." The national committee is a separate group from the House members.

Awan’s lawyer Christopher Gowen, as well as the DNC spokeswoman, told PolitiFact that Awan never worked for the DNC. Awan, who emigrated from Pakistan as a youth, has been a U.S. citizen since 2004.

"The government that Donald Trump is the president of has had the server from the very, very beginning of the investigation," Gowen said, referring to the server maintained by Awan and accessed by House Democrats, and a server all together different than the one hacked into atthe DNC.

Gowen said the server was a portal that Democratic members could access when working remotely. He said it has been in possession of the FBI and the Capitol Police since the first allegations were made in the case and has nothing to do with the DNC.

Awan was arrested for bank fraud in July after he identified on a home loan application that a property was a primary residence when in fact it was a rental property.

Trump was parroting news reports led by the Daily Caller about Awan. Conservative media accounts suggested that Awan might have played a role in the election hacking of the DNC, although the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that the Russian government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations.

Ultimately, Awan was charged with a minor offense unrelated to his job. In a July 3 plea agreement, Awan agreed to plead guilty to making a false statement on a loan application.

The government engaged in a "thorough investigation" that included taking custody of the House Democratic server and found no evidence of wrongdoing related to his House IT job, the government stated in the plea agreement signed by U.S Attorney’s Office.

"The government has found no evidence that your client illegally removed House data from the House network or from House Members' offices, stole the House Democratic Caucus Server, stole or destroyed House information technology equipment, or improperly accessed or transferred government information, including classified or sensitive information," said the plea agreement signed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

Awan will be sentenced Aug. 21. Sentencing guidelines call for zero to six months in jail, but prosecutors agreed not to oppose a sentence of only probation.

Our ruling
Trump said, "The servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC" are "missing."

The DNC servers were never missing. The DNC provided the FBI with a copy of their server, rather than the original hardware, but Comey testified that the evidence was an appropriate substitute.

Awan, the "Pakistani gentleman" in the news, never worked for the DNC. Conservative news outlets suggested he had stolen a House Democratic server, but the U.S. Attorney’s Office found no evidence of such theft.

We rate this statement False.

[_Kevin Graham]

Also,

A former FBI official told The Hill it's not unusual for the bureau to bypass a direct examination of a hacked server.

"In nine out of 10 cases, we don't need access, we don't ask for access, we don't get access. That's the normal [procedure],” Leo Taddeo, a former special agent in charge of the cyber division of the FBI’s New York office, told The Hill.

“It's extraordinarily rare for the FBI to get access to the victim's infrastructure because we could mess it up," he added. "We usually ask for the logs and images, and 99 out of a hundred times, that's sufficient.”

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity ... ed-servers

So basically subgenius is speaking talking points instead of actually doing the research, which would be quite simple.

[_Maksutov]

The dog is trolling. He is not a serious person. If he were, he would be a liar, an oathbreaker and more. He loves to push liberals' buttons more than to communicate anything of value

Yet another case where one confronts the choice - troll or moron?

Which is the more attractive option?

He could certainly be both. There's plenty of evidence for that. He seems to feel more solidarity with his redneck bros in their Trump cult than with the Constitution he was (allegedly) sworn to protect. If he was telling the truth about that. Someone who would advocate treason wouldn't balk at dishonesty, would they? Giving him the benefit of the doubt would mean considering him a stolen valor fraud and liar. The fact that he would diss John McCain's and Robert Mueller's service in favor of Cadet Bonespurs makes me suspect stolen valor. No self respecting warfighter I knew in 23 years with the Army would show that kind of disrespect toward fellow soldiers. But I guess he could be a John Walker type, a serviceman who thinks it's okay to betray your country because it's cool.

[_Chap]

The fact that he would diss John McCain's and Robert Mueller's service in favor of Cadet Bonespurs makes me suspect stolen valor.

I must say I find that persuasive.

[_canpakes]

You can keep asking everyone else to do the background work ...

a.k.a., asking people to be informed about the claims they make on this subject.

Yes, you should do this yourself. Glad to see your buy-in.