Should Everything Wrong Be Illegal?

[_honorentheos]

Ok. To prove I am posting in good faith, as I always am, I will try to answer this.

Just noting that what followed offered no attempt at an answer to any part of Gad's post.

So much for "posting in good faith", eh? : D

It certainly was a non-answer answer. The "all of" came from the original graphic so it wasn't as if Gad inserted the superlative himself. Smokey seems to dislike the trap set for him by his own trust in such dubious sources as he borrows from to post here.

He should be glad Gad didn't ask he defend the part about chemtrails...

[_Smokey]

Simply asking for clarification.

[_honorentheos]

You're asking that Gad clarify what, exactly? The underlying issue is that the source claimed the list of right wing hot buttons and conspiracy theory subjects originate out of Jewish hate for white people, with explicit aims. Counter examples would be no more contradicting of that claim as would examples of a couple of Jewish people being involved in the feminist movement or Satanism be supportive of your claim.

That was a dodge.

[_Smokey]

To help me answer in good faith, perhaps you can be more clear. Do you imagine that I have a good-faith belief that Jews, and only Jews, (forgive me for using that word again) and never anyone else, are involved in Satanism?

[_honorentheos]

...modern day Israel isn’t really the homeland of the Jews,

The Bible claims King David, of the tribe of Judah, captured Jerusalem around 1000 BCE and made it the capital of his kingdom. When the people who became the Kingdom of Israel refused to accept his grandson as their king and broke off, it remained the capital of the Kingdom of Judah.

There is no reasonable claim to be made that Jerusalem isn't the location of the biblical Jewish kingdom and where their identity as a nation and people resides.

[_honorentheos]

To help me answer in good faith, perhaps you can be more clear. Do you imagine that I have a good-faith belief that Jews, and only Jews, (forgive me for using that word again) and never anyone else, are involved in Satanism?

Can you present evidence of a Jewish conspiracy behind the items on that list or not? The conspiracy is the claim. Again, it wouldn't be proved by tying a couple of people with Jewish background to them so it applies in both directions.

[_canpakes]

To help me answer in good faith, perhaps you can be more clear. Do you imagine that I have a good-faith belief that Jews, and only Jews, (forgive me for using that word again) and never anyone else, are involved in Satanism?

Also Smokey:

Jews planned, pushed and run all of: sexual revolution and homosexual propaganda & rights, feminist empowerment and White couples low birth rate, abortion laws and propaganda, Islamization of Europe, antiWhite propaganda in media & education, multiculturalism and dozens of thousands of horrible crimes, rapes, thefts per year done by non-Whites on Whites, Porn, race-mixing-miscegination (sic), Church of Satan, atheism, secularism, moral decay, chemtrails, vaccines, flourided (sic) drinks and poisoned food that destroy the intelligence-IQ/health of Whites, and finally the certain future of Whites becoming a powerless minority in Europe, America, Australia, Canada by 2040-2060 and the complete Eradication of White-Western Civilization by 2100

OK, Nazi. : D

[_Gadianton]

And you were to then say “Aha, here is a Satanist who ISN’T Jewish (again forgive me for using that word)! Checkmate, Nazi!” I would really feel like I wasted my time.

perhaps you can be more clear. Do you imagine that I have a good-faith belief that Jews, and only Jews, (forgive me for using that word again) and never anyone else, are involved in Satanism?

The graphic didn't say anything about Jews being involved themselves in Satanism, nor did it mention "Satanism", generically, at all.

Jewish hatred of the European-Aryan race is the reason why Jews planned, pushed and run all of:... the Church of Satan.

Your graphic said that the Jews planned, pushed, and RUN all of (several items on the list) including the Church of Satan.

If I run a gambling ring or a brothel, that doesn't mean I partake of those activities, maybe I do or maybe I don't. The claim your graphic is making (that went over your head?) is that the Jews created the Church of Satan for the participation of whites, in order to bring them down. The claim is outrageous on multiple levels. Take a drug cartel: the drug cartel doesn't run drugs to "bring people down" they run drugs to make money. But according to your graphic, the Jews are behind a multitude of wildly implausible conspiracies for wildly implausible reasons.

Back to the Church of Satan. The Church of Satan is a specific organization created by a guy named Anton LaVey, which is marginally Satanic, but it's THE "Church of Satan" and its by far the largest Satanic organization there is. What, you didn't know that? When someone says "The Church of Satan" anybody who knows anything knows they are referring to LaVey's organization. (google "the church of satan" and see what comes up if you don't believe me)

Your graphic is claiming that Jews are behind this quite-visible organization started by Anton LaVey to destroy whites, because they hate whites. I want you to justify this absolutely laugh-out-loud absurd claim.

[_honorentheos]

According to the Bible, Abraham was a Hebrew,

There are two issues with this.

First, the verse where this occurs is a post-exilic addition and was intended to convey the opposite of your claim. The priestly writer is writing Abraham into the Jewish identity. The term Ḫapiru or Apiru appear in the Bible and ancient texts in different ways depending on if they are before or after the Babylonian exile. Prior to the exile, it appears to be a term used by others to describe the Israelites but the Israelites don't use it to refer to themselves. For example, the Philistines use it to refer to them as do the Egyptians. It should be noted that Abraham was from Ur.

Secondly, the term Ḫapiru appears to have a meaning akin to refugee. In the case of the name being applied to the people we know as the Hebrews it appears to have been associated with the tribes and peoples outside of the city-states or in the case of the Egyptians their captured and relocated slaves.

It doesn't make sense to claim the reference to Abraham as being a Hebrew distances him from the Jewish people. The mythological figure in the Jewish Bible is intentionally portrayed as the father of their nation and the covenant that came with it. There are arguments to be made the story is a borrowed myth, not historical, etc. And God knows I've made some of them. But as far as Genesis goes, it's a story about the people of the book.

[_Smokey]

The Church of Satan is a specific organization created by a guy named Anton LaVey, which is marginally Satanic, but it's THE "Church of Satan" and its by far the largest Satanic organization there is. What, you didn't know that?

I’m pretty well versed on the issues I choose to debate and explain slowly to others, but I certainly concede that I probably don’t know as much about the ins and outs of Satanism as you do.

I see that you believe, hopefully in good faith, that there is a meaningful difference between Satanism and the Church of Satan. I respectfully disagree.

Your graphic is claiming that Jews are behind this quite-visible organization started by Anton LaVey to destroy whites, because they hate whites. I want you to justify this absolutely laugh-out-loud absurd claim.

I’m sure glad I didn’t waste anymore time on this derailment. I’m sorry you didn’t like the Loxism meme. You should be glad that it’s been successfully banned from this site, as well as any images of non-Mormon cartoonish hook-nosed men menacingly rubbing their hands together.

I’ll save some words and concede to you that the summaries posted below the censored meme are not the foundation of my belief system, and since I did not write them I do not feel the need to spend paragraphs debating the difference between satanism and the church of satan. I posted it in good faith and acknowledge your objections to the Church of Satan being conflated with the kind of Satanism John Podesta promotes.

While the term Loxism remains an accurate descriptor of the behavior we were discussing in that thread, this is not a hill I’m willing to die on.