Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

[_Markk]

Why do you keep mentioning Biden’s compensation?

LOL...Because it is part of the evidence that warrants an investigation. It proves he was paid a lot of money working for a corrupt company with deep Russian ties while his father was VP giving money to the very industry Hunter was working for,. All the while Joe was supposed to be rooting out corruption, his son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals company.

Are you really that daft

[_honorentheos]

he (Hunter Biden) was paid a lot of money working for a corrupt company with deep Russian ties while his father was VP giving money to the very industry Hunter was working for,. All the while Joe was supposed to be rooting out corruption, his son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals company.

All of this is true. I've said as much from the beginning. The issue is you disbelieve the evidence that shows Joe wasn't engaging in corruption but forcing the Ukrainian leadership to address it to receive US loan guarantees that the US viewed as essential in the erupting conflict with Russia. The funding of Ukrainian energy and oil was strategically vital to counter Russian leverage over Western Europe. Shokin was acting as an agent of corruption as attested by the people proven to be legitmately fighting corruption in Ukraine. You don't like that, and because Hunter was hired by Burisma you feel very confident that the corrupt and morally broken Shokin should be taken at his word. That he isn't is, to you, the sign of a cover up.

This is why you aren't worth engaging. You don't seem to understand the issues involved to the necessary degree to actually have a discussion. You are, in fact, guilty of demanding acknowledgment of conditions already acknowledged from the outset, as if doing so is game, set, and match when it's hardly more that background. The meat of the discussion, otoh, is all conspiracy in your apparent opinion. Good grief.

[_Markk]

You ignore the factual evidences that support the opposite. One of those evidences is that under Shokin his department opened up over a 1000 internal investigation in their “DOJ”.

There are people that support his assertion that he was told to stand down. The bottom line is it is clear as mud...and what factual evidences, that are indisputable, as I pointed out in blue above, that alone warrants an investigation.

Honor wrote...This is why you aren't worth engaging. You don't seem to understand the issues involved to the necessary degree to actually have a discussion. You are, in fact, guilty of demanding acknowledgment of conditions already acknowledged from the outset, as if doing so is game, set, and match when it's hardly more that background. The meat of the discussion, On the other hand, is all conspiracy in your apparent opinion. Good grief.

Honor, that is just a cop out and you know it. Instead of just admitting your position is weak and has no merit..you just run from the facts.

There is ample evidence...it is TDS that keeps you from dealing with it.

[_canpakes]

Why do you keep mentioning Biden’s compensation?

LOL...Because it is part of the evidence that warrants an investigation. It proves he was paid a lot of money working for a corrupt company with deep Russian ties while his father was VP giving money to the very industry Hunter was working for,. All the while Joe was supposed to be rooting out corruption, his son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals company.

Are you really that daft

Let's continue on this point.

Is your issue that (1) he earned any amount of pay from Burisma, or (2) is there a threshold of pay, where remaining below that threshold is OK, but exceeding it points to the employee being corrupt?

If you are mentioning compensation at all, then it has to be for one of these two reasons.

Which is it?

[_canpakes]

Fact...Burisma's owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, had deep Russian tie, and often accused of corruption, even as a goverment official under a very corrupt President, who has since fled to Russia. (Mykola Zlochevsky is now on the run from the Ukraine to avoid prosecution and believed to be living in Monaco.)

Fact...April 15th Hunters and Archer's business received money from Burisma (112K) (at the time Burisma was the second largest Natural gas company in the Ukraine)

Fact... April 16th Archer had a meeting with the VPOTUS at the White House.

Fact...April 21st..Joe Biden landed in the Ukraine to deliver the terms of aid going to the Ukraine's Natural Gas industry.

Fact...April 22nd Archer was hired by Burisma.

Fact... May 13th Hunter was hired to head the legal affairs department of Burisma, according to Burisma.

Fact...All this while the VPOTUS was charged to "root out" corruption in the Ukraine, his son and associates, were employed by a company that was known to be corrupt. That had Russian ties. And that later, the VPOTUS would threaten to withhold funds on the accusation that the General Prosecutor was not rooting out corruption like he should with in his department...even though his own son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals, and past corrupt goverment ministers in the Ukraine."

This is just part of the narrative...but focusing on this as a whole/alone canpakes (I would like to here from EA on this)...do you honestly believe this alone is not enough evidence to draw the concern of US government officials, and enough warrant an investigation?

Hmm. You're still not showing that Hunter Biden engaged in any illegal or corrupt behavior.

Markk, when and why did Zlochevsky flee from the Ukraine?

[_canpakes]

... While his father was charged with rooting out corruption in the Ukraine,

CFR. This is not correct. Otherwise please outline Biden's mandate or give any evidence that supports that Biden was appointed to 'root out corruption in the Ukraine'.

[_Markk]

Let's continue on this point.

Is your issue that (1) he earned any amount of pay from Burisma, or (2) is there a threshold of pay, where remaining below that threshold is OK, but exceeding it points to the employee being corrupt?

If you are mentioning compensation at all, then it has to be for one of these two reasons.

Which is it?

LOL...No...it is Both...have you read anything I have written, or watched the impeachment hearings or watched and read the links I have provided you? He was paid an "above industry salary" by a know corrupt mobster with Russian ties. Both of which lend to the other evidences I have been giving you.

You are just trolling a straw-man question.

[_Markk]

Hmm. You're still not showing that Hunter Biden engaged in any illegal or corrupt behavior.

Markk, when and why did Zlochevsky flee from the Ukraine?

More ducking and trolling...

Answer my question, I put it in Bold for you.

Fact...Burisma's owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, had deep Russian tie, and often accused of corruption, even as a goverment official under a very corrupt President, who has since fled to Russia. (Mykola Zlochevsky is now on the run from the Ukraine to avoid prosecution and believed to be living in Monaco.)

Fact...April 15th Hunters and Archer's business received money from Burisma (112K) (at the time Burisma was the second largest Natural gas company in the Ukraine)

Fact... April 16th Archer had a meeting with the VPOTUS at the White House.

Fact...April 21st..Joe Biden landed in the Ukraine to deliver the terms of aid going to the Ukraine's Natural Gas industry.

Fact...April 22nd Archer was hired by Burisma.

Fact... May 13th Hunter was hired to head the legal affairs department of Burisma, according to Burisma.

Fact...All this while the VPOTUS was charged to "root out" corruption in the Ukraine, his son and associates, were employed by a company that was known to be corrupt. That had Russian ties. And that later, the VPOTUS would threaten to withhold funds on the accusation that the General Prosecutor was not rooting out corruption like he should with in his department...even though his own son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals, and past corrupt goverment ministers in the Ukraine."

This is just part of the narrative...but focusing on this as a whole/alone canpakes (I would like to here from EAllusion on this)...do you honestly believe this alone is not enough evidence to draw the concern of US government officials, and enough warrant an investigation?

Markk, when and why did Zlochevsky flee from the Ukraine?

LOL, focus...because the GP Ryaboshapka, who was before the current GP... was pushing many ongoing investigations into Burisma, the company that Hunter worked for, this dozen or so investigations were started by Shokin and Lutsenko.

If you have followed my links at all you would know from the ABC interview I linked, Shokin had 6 investigations into Burisma when Joe Biden forced him out with his quid pro quo.

He disappeared in 2018 or early 2019 do to these investigations being brought to light again.

[_canpakes]

Markk, when and why did Zlochevsky flee from the Ukraine?

LOL, focus...because the GP Ryaboshapka, who was before the current GP... was pushing many ongoing investigations into Burisma, the company that Hunter worked for, this dozen or so investigations were started by Shokin and Lutsenko.

If you have followed my links at all you would know from the ABC interview I linked, Shokin had 6 investigations into Burisma when Joe Biden forced him out with his quid pro quo.

He disappeared in 2018 or early 2019 do to these investigations being brought to light again.

Are you just not mentioning that he originally fled in 2014 (returning in 2018 before fleeing again) because you're ignorant of that fact, or because you're trying to be disingenuous?

[_canpakes]

Let's continue on this point.

Is your issue that (1) he earned any amount of pay from Burisma, or (2) is there a threshold of pay, where remaining below that threshold is OK, but exceeding it points to the employee being corrupt?

If you are mentioning compensation at all, then it has to be for one of these two reasons.

Which is it?

LOL...No...it is Both...have you read anything I have written, or watched the impeachment hearings or watched and read the links I have provided you? He was paid an "above industry salary" by a know corrupt mobster with Russian ties. Both of which lend to the other evidences I have been giving you.

You are just trolling a straw-man question.

OK. So you're been disingenuous about this point in the past, and now freely admit that you see his level of compensation as indicative of being corrupt.

Of course, you can't speak to what the threshold is that makes it corrupt, because that really doesn't matter. And you can't explain what makes Biden's pay"above industry standard", either, for the number 2 gas producer of Ukraine.

Every time that you mention his compensation, it just exposes your partisan dishonesty.