A taste of Prager U

[_Jersey Girl]

delete

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Jersey Girl,

Lemmie was trying to shoehorn a hamfisted example of overt New Jersey racism into a discussion about White Privilege. I was just, ah, trying to roll with it.

[violation of Spirit Paradise rule #2 deleted]

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

For whatever it may be worth to you or anyone else, I think that some of the remarks I've been reading here are inappropriate even on a free speech board and even in the eyes of a Jersey Girl. So far as I am concerned it's reached critical mass around here and I want no part in it. I'll be deleting most of my own posts from the thread.

[_Jersey Girl]

That's not quite the hell I was referring to, but thanks for the description of the thread like I can't read it.

If you can read the thread, then whence your question?

I wasn't sure how I wanted to handle this reply. I'm sure now.

I should have been clearer in the remark that I made. My only defense is that I was reviewing the current posts and multi-tasking in real life things.

Cards on the table. Let's talk.

I was referring to the moderation techniques, or lack of them, on this thread and elsewhere. I saw one post that obviously contained a personal attack and was edited from within. I saw another was tossed over into Prison that likewise contained a personal attack. I saw a moderator actively posting on the thread while additional personal attacks were being thrown about without addressing them.

Then there is the issue of personal attack that was reported directly to you on a Terrestrial thread that you didn't address at all that had to do with my being called a cunt on one thread and in one post where the report was made, references made to my personal life. It all remains. About 2 weeks ago, I made a report and it wasn't opened for a good week. Yes, I checked. All I can say is it's a good thing that the report wasn't about mine or someone else's in real life being disclosed and being left to sit on the board for a week.

You know that I defend your right to enjoy the board that you yourself created. I understand that you have an in real life away from here as does EA. One mod recently bailed, another remains on the mod team who is apparently inactive. It's clear that the board isn't being covered as evidence by the critical mass of personal attacks strewn about, inconsistently addressed and in some cases, not addressed at all.

I think you should put out a call for mods. If no one reponds and if you have a limited set of specific tasks such as cleaning up deletes, moving off topic threads, and other such menial tasks that will free you and EA up to take care of the of personal attacks, then put me back on the mod team, Shades. I will do whatever clean up tasks you assign to me so long as they are limited in nature and that I enjoy the rights of any other poster here (freedom of speech/right to report) and stay out of Mod Forum discussions as if they don't exist or lock me out of them if that's possible.

Consider me your willing house elf.

;-)

[_Gunnar]

As much as White America complains about Non-White America’s supposed preoccupation with victimhood, White America - and folks like Prager - sure waste little time in descending into the same claim for itself with far less standing to do so.

This is the real crux of the problem with the whole alt-right, white supremacist, and hard right conservative cancer that infests our country today. Thank you for stating it so succinctly!

Throughout my long life I had perceived, or thought I perceived, a slow but steady decrease in this country of racial and ethnic bigotry and a gradual increase in mutual congeniality, friendship and appreciation between people of diverse races, ethnicities and economic backgrounds. This still seems to be largely true of the small, diverse community in which I currently live, and I am proud of the way that the vast majority of my neighbors and I (including Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, East Indians, and Asiatics, all of which can be found on the very street I live on) get along amicably with each other.

I despair, though, that it often seems, nationwide, that Trump's election and policies are perceived, by design or not, by too many Trump supporters, as encouragement to bring back to the surface and legitimize whatever latent intolerance and bigotry that still exists, reversing the progress that has been made in ridding ourselves of this evil. I think that the deplorable citizens vs federal election commission decision of 2010 had a lot to do with making this undesirable state of affairs possible, and may yet (if not reversed) prove to be the death knell of our democracy.

I don't fear the prospect of Whites like me eventually becoming a minority. Such fear, I believe, is inherently bigoted. I have no trouble getting along with my Hispanic, Sikh, Black and Asiatic neighbors, and they seem to respect me in turn. Why should I fear them, or they me?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[I don't fear the prospect of Whites like me eventually becoming a minority. Such fear, I believe, is inherently bigoted. I have no trouble getting along with my Hispanic, Sikh, Black and Asiatic neighbors, and they seem to respect me in turn. Why should I fear them, or they me?

Who's telling you to be afraid of various minorities within context of this thread? I get the revulsion of Trump and Stormfront-y guys. That's easy. But that's not what's going on here.

You know what's difficult and who you should genuinely worry about? The people Jordan Peterson is describing, and can see in real time posting on this thread. That's the real threat to your individual constitutional liberties. Seeing and opposing racism and bigotry is a fairly obvious position to take. What's not obvious is the nefarious game the Leftists are playing that take your natural proclivities of decency and fairness, and then uses them to subjugate you into compliance through shaming tactics, outright bullying, and overt use of the educational and legal systems in the West.

That's damned terrifying, and you ought to be giving as much consideration to that reality as you do to White nationalist cultists who want to, I dunno, live in the hills of West Virginia in some sort of Utopia.

Take for example the attacks levied at Ceeboo or the Right just on page one:

He'll just keep pumping out more nonsense from a moron

It would seem that a person who creates a video called, “Do You Have Any Republican Friends” isn’t interested in bridging any divide - he’s interested in widening it.

the GOP is associated with racism and bigotry

"Congratulations on being part of the problem”!

PragerU stands for. Uninformed? Useless? Uneducated? Underwhelming? Untrue?

I've been fascinatined by this theme in right-wing media and, uh, less educated conservative circles.

And that's just scrolling through the first few posts. The rest of the thread is open season on Ceeboo, the Right, and anyone who might find some of the ideas contained in the videos as foundational concepts of Western democracies. This sort of self-assured, all-knowing, astoundingly smug rightness is repeated every time fundamental concepts are argued. This is happening throughout the entirety of the West, and it's one of the inherent problems that is widening the gulf between citizens, in my opinion, by design. When you can't even discuss various issues and ideas, governances, or political policies, without immediately being labeled a rapist murderer racist then we have a real problem on our hands.

Beyond that, on this thread, Whitey is conflating racism with White Privilege. It's easy to walk away from torch burning Nazis, but apparently the True Believers on this thread draw the line at actually checking their White Privilege in any sort of substantive way. in my opinion, because they're promoting White Privilege as some sort of metric, and even though they can't possibly produce a useful White Privilege measuring tool, they use this nebulous and deliberately vague concept to accuse and then condemn non-Liberal Whites as racists, or at the very less privileged 'dupes' (known as poor Whites who vote Republican) who are too dumb to know how privileged they are.

This kafkatrapping by the Leftists ought to worry the ever living crap out of you. Notice how none of the Privileged Whites actually do anything about their own privilege, but jump at the chance to tell you how privileged you are? That's because they want you to fall in line otherwise you're guilty of hating minorities and 'not doing enough' for them.

Anyway. They make poor arguments, are viciously divisive, and aren't funny enough to win the middle. That's why they lost every branch of government, and are losing again. Granted. I hope I'm wrong, because despite the psychopaths who post on this forum and to a larger extent those directing too much of our national discussion, I have to agree the Left is still more moral and pragmatic than the traitorous debt-loving, cronyism-filled, warmongering, weed-hating Right. The GOP, and by extension PragerU, despite identifying very important and defensible ideas, is just damned awful and so in the tank for the people with deep pockets it's just... I don't even have the words.

So, otoh I understand Lefitist anger being directed at Conservatives because they vote for a party that actively betrays them, but what's their alternative? Voting for people who think they're racists and wants them to continue to hamstring themselves through social castration and heavy taxes? I think they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Regardless, they would've voted for anyone who won the nomination anyway. If the Leftists are angry they ought to look at themselves for a moment because they couldn't figure out a way to get the people out to vote in the states that mattered. They didn't do that, and now we're stuck with damned Trump until we can get rid of him one way or another.

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

Look Ceeboo! Someone finally came to your rescue and saved your fragile honor. Sure, it's an imbecile, but that's something, right?

Now you two can run off and make holes in sheets together and live idiotically ever after.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Look Ceeboo! Someone finally came to your rescue and saved your fragile honor. Sure, it's an imbecile, but that's something, right?

Now you two can run off and make holes in sheets together and live idiotically ever after.

Speaking of psychopaths... Anyway, Some Schmo is an object lesson on the greater point being made.

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

Anyway, Some Schmo is an object lesson on the greater point being made.

LOL

You think you're making a point. That's funny.

Stupid people... they will entertain.

[_EAllusion]

Jersey Girl,

Lemmie was trying to shoehorn a hamfisted example of overt New Jersey racism into a discussion about White Privilege. I was just, ah, trying to roll with it.

[violation of Spirit Paradise rule #2 deleted]

- Doc

White privilege isn't exclusive with racism. It's a consequence of it. In the context of the anecdote, the privilege is being able to attend a party without worry of exclusion on the basis of race. Racism is the apparent *cause* of the privilege in this case. One would think you'd try to understand the concepts you are criticizing, but one would be wrong about that.

Moreover, there is a clear contradiction in your reasoning here. White privilege cannot be discussed or addressed unless it can be exactly quantified and compared. This is obviously something that isn't possible to do, ergo it's illicit to talk about it as a thing that exists. Meanwhile you freely talk about racism people experience and suggest things can be done about it. Yet you cannot quantify racism at all either. How do you resolve the contradiction? My guess is by ignoring the point and attacking anyone who brings it up with a silly strawman argument. Because you are so intellectually honest, of course.