Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

[_Markk]

LOL...have you read anything I have written or did you research at all.

Briefly put which I linked you to in full many times. Z had assets frozen...23 million, and he fled...after Hunter help get a former DOJ lawyer for Obama hired to get the Money un-frozen...Z came back. Shokin was pissed and wanted more investigation into Burisma, and then Joe had him fired. These old cases were reopened and he fled again..

You are truly a troll.

[_Markk]

OK. So you're been disingenuous about this point in the past, and now freely admit that you see his level of compensation as indicative of being corrupt.

Of course, you can't speak to what the threshold is that makes it corrupt, because that really doesn't matter. And you can't explain what makes Biden's pay"above industry standard", either, for the number 2 gas producer of Ukraine.

Every time that you mention his compensation, it just exposes your partisan dishonesty.

LOL, you have nothing and are just trolling or stupid, and am leaning towards that latter these days.

[_canpakes]

LOL, you have nothing and are just trolling or stupid, and am leaning towards that latter these days.

Then what does his pay level have to do with anything?

You claimed that you didn't think that it was indicative of corruption. Then you say that it is.

And what's up with not knowing when Zlochevsky first fled Ukraine..?

[_Markk]

... While his father was charged with rooting out corruption in the Ukraine,

CFR. This is not correct. Otherwise please outline Biden's mandate or give any evidence that supports that Biden was appointed to 'root out corruption in the Ukraine'.

Have out read anything or watched any of his speeches wher e he discusses corruption over and over? Have you read his memoir?

... So as I prepared the speech, I understood I had to do a lot more than simply announce to the Ukrainian legislators an additional $190 million of direct aid from the United States; or to assure them that the U.S. and its allies were going to keep supporting them in the face of military and economic pressure from Putin and keep defending their right as a sovereign nation to make their own decisions and choose their own allies; or to remind them that they had to continue to root out the rampant corruption in their national politics. None of that would be enough for the job at hand. I felt I had to remind them of their higher purpose...

Biden, Joe. Promise Me, Dad (pp. 251-252). Flatiron Books. Kindle Edition.

https://www.rferl.org/a/biden-urges-ukr ... 35916.html


He was the lead man for Obama on this, even Honor conceded this point. It is in-disputable, just about every major newspaper talks about this in one form or another.


I have linked many of them in the other thread.

Troll on.

[_Markk]

Then what does his pay level have to do with anything?

You claimed that you didn't think that it was indicative of corruption. Then you say that it is.

And what's up with not knowing when Zlochevsky first fled Ukraine..?

LOL, Troll on.

[_canpakes]

LOL...have you read anything I have written or did you research at all.

Briefly put which I linked you to in full many times. Z had assets frozen...23 million, and he fled...after Hunter help get a former DOJ lawyer for Obama hired to get the Money un-frozen...Z came back. Shokin was pissed and wanted more investigation into Burisma, and then Joe had him fired. These old cases were reopened and he fled again..

You are truly a troll.

You make it sound like Shokin was 'pissed' when Zlochevsky returned in 2018, and wanted more investigation because of that. : D

What reasons do you have to disbelieve Vitaly Kasko (Shokin's deputy), that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant?

[Guest]

... While his father was charged with rooting out corruption in the Ukraine,

CFR. This is not correct. Otherwise please outline Biden's mandate or give any evidence that supports that Biden was appointed to 'root out corruption in the Ukraine'.

Have out read anything or watched any of his speeches wher e he discusses corruption over and over? Have you read his memoir?

... So as I prepared the speech, I understood I had to do a lot more than simply announce to the Ukrainian legislators an additional $190 million of direct aid from the United States; or to assure them that the U.S. and its allies were going to keep supporting them in the face of military and economic pressure from Putin and keep defending their right as a sovereign nation to make their own decisions and choose their own allies; or to remind them that they had to continue to root out the rampant corruption in their national politics. None of that would be enough for the job at hand. I felt I had to remind them of their higher purpose...

Biden, Joe. Promise Me, Dad (pp. 251-252). Flatiron Books. Kindle Edition.

https://www.rferl.org/a/biden-urges-ukr ... 35916.html


He was the lead man for Obama on this, even Honor conceded this point. It is in-disputable, just about every major newspaper talks about this in one form or another.


I have linked many of them in the other thread.

Troll on.

Hey, thanks for proving my point. From your post, and quoting Biden:

"...or to remind them that they had to continue to root out the rampant corruption in their national politics."

It wasn't Joe's job to root out corruption in Ukraine. Pointing out his encouragement of that is not the same as leading or controlling it.

Reading is basic, Markk. It's like you just glazed over that excerpt and didn't even read it yourself, rather just posted it thinking that it supports your accusation, when it flatly refutes your stand, instead.

[_Jersey Girl]

Didja notice the part where he says it's not worth his time?

Your continued attempts to seek validation so noted.

As is you trolling, and parroting others. But what funny is that when I think about the time wasted on this forum by everyone, and thing that I could have accomplished otherwise...there is a lot of general wisdom is his post. But I enjoy writing my posts in the morning while I drink my coffee, even if it is not worth my time, most the time.

Worth YOUR time? You have a deep capacity for repeating thought stopping remarks and a demonstrate a complete absence of metacognitive skill every time you post.

You're now reduced to parroting: Troll, trolling, troll, trolling, troll, trolling.

Because that's all you got buddy.

You can't even internalize honor's comment about what a waste it is to engage you without twisting it to place yourself in a superior position. Your intellectual dishonesty and avoidance are clear and present features of your posting behavior.

That's why you're down to one poster's attempts to engage you. Everyone else has seemingly walked away from it. That's not something to be proud of.

[_Markk]

He can simply stop opining if it is not worth his time, as with you Jersey Girl. My opinion is he can't get past his talking points, ,or in other words the scenario he has constructed in his mind.

In his defense, unlike others here that just troll, follow, and parrot talking points, Honor has constructed his talking points, while you and other follow such talking points.

You're now reduced to parroting: Troll, trolling, troll, trolling, troll, trolling.

LOL, you can't even be original in this, you are parroting me...LOL

You yourself admitted you were a troll. You only jump in with ad homs, and have never offered anything original in investigating the impeachment mess, in fact, you even implied it took you 50 pages plus to find out how to find it on TV, that is if you ever did. Based on your ignorance of the two trials and complaint...my guess is you settled with Gilligan's Island. Spoiler alert...he does not get off the Island.

But just in case you want to dig in a little...and become a bit vulnerable and expose yourself to dealing with factual evidences. Let me know what you actual think of these facts and wheter or not there is enough evidence for concern, I can certainly add to that list, if you want more.



Fact..."Hunter and Archer were hired by a known corrupt company (Burisma).

Fact...Burisma's owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, had deep Russian tie, and often accused of corruption, even as a goverment official under a very corrupt President, who has since fled to Russia. (Mykola Zlochevsky is now on the run from the Ukraine to avoid prosecution and believed to be living in Monaco.)

Fact...April 15th Hunters and Archer's business received money from Burisma (112K) (at the time Burisma was the second largest Natural gas company in the Ukraine)

Fact... April 16th Archer had a meeting with the VPOTUS at the White House.

Fact...April 21st..Joe Biden landed in the Ukraine to deliver the terms of aid going to the Ukraine's Natural Gas industry.

Fact...April 22nd Archer was hired by Burisma.

Fact... May 13th Hunter was hired to head the legal affairs department of Burisma, according to Burisma.

Fact...All this while the VPOTUS was charged to "root out" corruption in the Ukraine, his son and associates, were employed by a company that was known to be corrupt. That had Russian ties. And that later, the VPOTUS would threaten to withhold funds on the accusation that the General Prosecutor was not rooting out corruption like he should with in his department...even though his own son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals, and past corrupt goverment ministers in the Ukraine."

This is just part of the narrative...but focusing on this as a whole/alone canpakes Jersey Girl (I would like to here from EAllusion on this)...do you honestly believe this alone is not enough evidence to draw the concern of US government officials, and enough to warrant an investigation?

[_canpakes]

Aww, Markk. You’re still lying about Joe Biden being “charged with rooting out corruption in Ukraine”. That, and the whole compensation thing that you keep bitching about while claiming that it doesn’t matter.

So, where was Zlochevsky from 2014 to 2018? ; )

(PS - still waiting for you to post the thing that Hunter Biden did that warrants an ‘investigation’.)