Re: Belief in God
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:25 am
Sorry for taking so long to reply, huck. As I said, this thread was revving up during a very busy week for me.
Yes, my thoughts do vary depending on what my focus is at any given moment.
Jersey Girl, you noted previously that you vary your thoughts sometimes(not a bad thing) so if I propose a different reading that is not necessarily picking an argument with you.[/quote]huckelberry wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:12 pm(Jersey Girl responded)Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:03 pmThe only answer to that I can think of or even imagine, canpakes, is that anything God creates outside of his holiness is destined or has the potential to become corrupted. Then I ask myself what about the angels, can angels become corrupted? And the answer to that, in my view, is yes they can.
(canpakes asked)
What made it perfect?
As reported, sin hadn't yet entered the creation and corrupted it. But here is the thing, if as I stated above that anything God creates out of his holiness is destined/has the potential to become corrupted then...was it already corrupted when he created it?
Don't know. Boggles the mind.
Yes, my thoughts do vary depending on what my focus is at any given moment.
Ouch. I don't have a good explanation for that. I could rely on the dating/time concepts that are often introduced into the discussion but I don't know enough about it to articulate it as a decent response.I do not see a perfect world that God created. There have been animals living dying and eating each other for a very large number of years before the garden of eden. Is not a garden a special protected place? its safety is not the dangerous outside world to which Adam and Eve were expelled into. I have certainly heard the idea that the fall corrupted to world causing death and conflict everywhere. That just does not fit either real world evidence or the Biblical text. It is an easy out for a more difficult question.
I'm not worried about corruptible angels. I was thinking about Satan as Fallen Angel.Your worry about corruptible angels may well be more on target. If angels are free to think they might get spoiled in a very selfish sense. People certainly have that potential. Perhaps the danger is great enough that the experience of living in a world of objective dangers and responsibility is necessary for human creation.
And...in your view is a creator involved in those or not? If not, how do you see it?It might be kept in mind that there is no miracle involved in hurricanes earthquakes and disease. Each of these are natural events in the fabric of real world cause and effect.