"Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006"

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Water Dog wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:That's perpetuating the stereotype they're weak and need the protection of men.


More than once I have argued that the thing of feminism itself ironically undermines its central claim about equality. How did Margaret Thatcher put it, power is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.


Yup. Just like the abolitionist movement ironically undermined the claim that black people were the equals of white people. I mean, if they needed to shout about that all the time, that proved that they weren't.

Are women dumb? They just don't realise how marvellous things are for them.
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I love the way that the word 'adult' is used by some on this board as a kind of crossed candlesticks against the vampire, to ward off any criticism of a really dumb, unpleasant and unreflective point of view.
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Chap wrote:My view is that (amongst other things) it would be a good thing if a minority of men would take account of the strong wish most women have not to be groped against their will, spoken to or about in relation to their gender in a manner they find degrading, or to have sexual favours demanded of them as the price for their job security or career advancement not being negatively affected. And that as a result that minority of men would stop doing stuff like that.

Do you disagree with that view?


Well, my view is it would be a good thing if whatever percentage of women would take into account their own complicity within the sexual dynamic at a workplace, stop knowingly getting themselves into unprofessional relationships, and then be held accountable for their poor decision making without getting off scot free or destroying a man's career because she's not getting the benefit out of said relationship anymore.

The idea that a man's world can be destroyed simply because of an accusation is totally ridiculous. We just don't know how much quid pro quo, consent, flirting, participation, and pursuit was done by the women in these scenarios. To believe one party over the other just because one party says so is so mind blowingly dumb I don't know where to begin.

But then again, this isn't really about justice is it?

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Also, I just read an account that a high school teacher was recently put on leave UNPAID leave because of a sexual harassment claim. Get this. It was made from a student who graduated 20 years ago.

The article, of course, is written in a manner that makes him sound guilty. Why is it fair to the teacher that the school made this public? Why couldn't evidence or an investigation be carried out quietly, so if it's found the allegations have no merit, the teacher can resume his career unscathed?

Oh. And his accuser? Just a total slob who has no life. What's her motivation other than getting some attention? This POS is going to destroy a man's work, because she needs some attention. The second and third order effects are, of course, levied on the women he supports. But that doesn't matter to people like her. It's absolutely pathetic.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: "Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006"

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Well, looks like Senate Democrats are finally on the "Fanken might need to go" wagon.

Eleven Senate Democrats call on Franken to resign amid further allegations of sexual harassment

Eleven Senate Democrats called Wednesday for Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to resign amid mounting allegations of sexual harassment, raising the possibility he will become the second lawmaker to step aside over recent accusations of inappropriate behavior.

Franken’s office said he would make an announcement about his political future on Thursday. No other details were provided.

In a campaign started by Democratic women, nearly a dozen senators said Franken should leave Capitol Hill. Franken faces multiple accusations of inappropriate touching and unwanted advances. He has denied intentional wrongdoing and has apologized.


I wish they had just bit the bullet sooner.
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Xenophon wrote:I wish they had just bit the bullet sooner.

I agree. The Democrats lose credibility when talking about Drumpf and Moore when they are so hesitant to do so with members of their own party. Assault is assault.

Both parties need to clean house.
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Re: "Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006"

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Some Schmo wrote:
Both parties need to clean house.



Holy Banana-pie-crust!

I agree with Some Schmo!


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Re: "Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006"

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Ceeboo wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:
Both parties need to clean house.



Holy Banana-pie-crust!

I agree with Some Schmo!


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I sure have missed your gifs, buddy.
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Re: "Senator Al Franken Accused of Groping a Woman in 2006"

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Xenophon wrote:
I sure have missed your gifs, buddy.


Ask and you shall receive mi amigo! :smile:


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