Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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Re: Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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canpakes wrote:Hey, thanks for proving my point. From your post, and quoting Biden:

"...or to remind them that they had to continue to root out the rampant corruption in their national politics."

It wasn't Joe's job to root out corruption in Ukraine. Pointing out his encouragement of that is not the same as leading or controlling it.

Reading is basic, Markk. It's like you just glazed over that excerpt and didn't even read it yourself, rather just posted it thinking that it supports your accusation, when it flatly refutes your stand, instead.


LOL he was Obama's point man, as about ever major news paper concedes this. Obama, Trump, and every other president has a Job though protect our nation, it does not mean they do not get help. Classic straw-man mentality to avoid factual evidences...but expected.

The whole defense of Joe's quid pro quo is that he was rooting out corruption by denying aid to the Ukraine until they did his biding of firing the alleged dirty Shokin. He was "assigned" the Ukraine by Obama...he was point man, no one else.

But again,this is just a diversion from answering my questions and dealing with factual evidences.

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Re: Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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canpakes wrote:Aww, Markk. You’re still lying about Joe Biden being “charged with rooting out corruption in Ukraine”. That, and the whole compensation thing that you keep bitching about while claiming that it doesn’t matter.

So, where was Zlochevsky from 2014 to 2018? ; )

(PS - still waiting for you to post the thing that Hunter Biden did that warrants an ‘investigation’.)


LOL...


When Vladimir Putin began a campaign to destabilize Ukraine, the president assigned me Ukraine. When a crisis erupted after unaccompanied children from the Northern Triangle in Central America began pouring across our border, he turned to me and said, “Joe, you’ve got to fix this.”

Biden, Joe. Promise Me, Dad (p. 74). Flatiron Books. Kindle Edition.

So, where was Zlochevsky from 2014 to 2018? ; )


Is this some kind of smoking gun in your mind? If it is explain it and expound on it. What is you point? You tell me where he was all this time and back it up? In four years he was most likely all over the world..including Monaco, Cypress, and the Ukraine...maybe even Russia to visit his former boss.

If you are some how ignorant of the timelines of his investigations that I have touched on several times, let me know, and I can link you again, or yo can go to the OP and watch the video series, and comment on why or why not they are wong?

(PS - still waiting for you to post the thing that Hunter Biden did that warrants an ‘investigation’.)


LOL...well, I don't really expect you to read anything, but it keeps me reading more about it, so that is good for me at least. I have lots of patience. I'll get into China soon when I get a little time.
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Re: Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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Just in case you decide to answer my question...and address each fact below.

Fact..."Hunter and Archer were hired by a known corrupt company (Burisma).

Fact...Burisma's owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, had deep Russian tie, and often accused of corruption, even as a goverment official under a very corrupt President, who has since fled to Russia. (Mykola Zlochevsky is now on the run from the Ukraine to avoid prosecution and believed to be living in Monaco.)

Fact...April 15th Hunters and Archer's business received money from Burisma (112K) (at the time Burisma was the second largest Natural gas company in the Ukraine)

Fact... April 16th Archer had a meeting with the VPOTUS at the White House.

Fact...April 21st..Joe Biden landed in the Ukraine to deliver the terms of aid going to the Ukraine's Natural Gas industry.

Fact...April 22nd Archer was hired by Burisma.

Fact... May 13th Hunter was hired to head the legal affairs department of Burisma, according to Burisma.

Fact...All this while the VPOTUS was charged to "root out" corruption in the Ukraine, his son and associates, were employed by a company that was known to be corrupt. That had Russian ties. And that later, the VPOTUS would threaten to withhold funds on the accusation that the General Prosecutor was not rooting out corruption like he should with in his department...even though his own son was working for one of the most corrupt individuals, and past corrupt goverment ministers in the Ukraine."

This is just part of the narrative...but focusing on this as a whole/alone canpakes Jersey Girl canpakes (I would like to here from EAllusion on this)...do you honestly believe this alone is not enough evidence to draw the concern of US government officials, and enough to warrant an investigation?
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Re: Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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OK. So you’re still pushing the lie about Joe Biden being “in charge of rooting out corruption in Ukraine”, because your pride and your partisan political messaging are more important than your ethics.

And you’re never going to tell us what Hunter Biden did that was wrong, let alone illegal, because not even you know.

Trump voters are predictable to a fault.
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Markk wrote: My opinion is he can't get past his talking points, ,or in other words the scenario he has constructed in his mind.

In a sense this is true. I can't get over what I know about the players and participants to be open to Shokin claiming he was set up.

To illustrate why, I propose a test. Type out everything you know off the top of your head, no peaking or googling, about Vitaly Kasko. You've read Moneyland. You've been given the timelines. You should know immediately who he is and what his relationship is to the efforts to combat corruption in the Ukraine.

Once done, look him up and fill in the gaps. I'm guessing there is a lot that doesn't come to mind for you that I won't dismiss when you tell me to give Shokin the benefit of a doubt.
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Honor,

For one thing, it is not only about Shokin and Kasko, it is about Hunter, Joe, and his family...the Ukraine, China and other places. Shokin, like Kasko, Mykola Zlochevsky, Yanukovych, Archer, Heinz, and a multitude of others are all players in this.

Your premise seems to be that somehow Shokin is dirty, so therefore Biden is clean...and somehow the Ukraine was not corrupt before his year in office, and somehow not corrupt after he was fired.

Kasko and Shokin had a history of friction. Did you watch the video series in my OP and that I pasted links to on you tube? There are those that defend Kasko and accuse Shokin, and there are those that defend Shokin and accuse Kasko. Like Shokin, Kasko was accused of fraud, and like Shokin, had defenders state he was honest. We went over this in part earlier, and I tried to show tha their are two sides to every story, and why there is more than enough evidence for an investigation.

Yes I read Moneyland and one thing that jumped out at me, in regards to it's short mention of Kasko and the 23 million, is that Kasko did indeed pressure the UK to freeze the monies, yet in the end Zlochevsky's attorneys convinced the UK to unfreeze the monies. That is Fact.

This is important Honor...Hunter according to Burisma, headed up the legal affairs for Burisma, and as such, Hunter secured Blue Star, and former U.S. Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Obama administration John Buretta, to help Peters and Peters, a British law firm, in the defense of Zlochevsky.

In the end it was Lutsenko, who replaced Shokin, and whom Joe Biden said on tape was a good replacement, that was the GP and was part of "freeing" Zlochevsky of any wrong doing in the Ukraine courts. Shokin has always maintained that he was pressured to stand down against going against Zlochevsky, and it was Lutsenko Joe's choice for GP, that was actually compliant to helping Zlochevsky, Hunter's boss, get off.

Kasko is just one of many players in all this, and plays a small role given all the folks involved.

Gotta run, more later

Thanks.
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Markk wrote:Honor,

For one thing, it is not only about Shokin and Kasko, it is about Hunter, Joe, and his family...the Ukraine, China and other places. Shokin, like Kasko, Mykola Zlochevsky, Yanukovych, Archer, Heinz, and a multitude of others are all players in this.

Your premise seems to be that somehow Shokin is dirty, so therefore Biden is clean...and somehow the Ukraine was not corrupt before his year in office, and somehow not corrupt after he was fired.

My premise is when looked at holistically you can figure out who was legitimately working to combat corruption and who wasn't.

Kasko and Shokin had a history of friction. Did you watch the video series in my OP and that I pasted links to on you tube? There are those that defend Kasko and accuse Shokin, and there are those that defend Shokin and accuse Kasko. Like Shokin, Kasko was accused of fraud, and like Shokin, had defenders state he was honest. We went over this in part earlier, and I tried to show tha their are two sides to every story, and why there is more than enough evidence for an investigation.

That's not what happened. Kasko was the person in the PGs office seeking to provide information to support the British in their case. He was undermined by leadership in that case, and Shokin essentially retaliated against him when he resigned as Deputy PG out of frustration that the PG office was not doing its job. He is now back in under the reforming administration of Zelensky. Shokin was basically in the pocket of Poroshenko. It's crazy to act like there are "two sides" here that deserve equal consideration. There are two sides, but one of them is legitimately proven to have been fighting corruption while the other was not.

Yes I read Moneyland and one thing that jumped out at me, in regards to it's short mention of Kasko and the 23 million, is that Kasko did indeed pressure the UK to freeze the monies, yet in the end Zlochevsky's attorneys convinced the UK to unfreeze the monies. That is Fact.
That's off. Kasko was helping the British with their case, not pressuring them. He was undermined by a letter sent to Zlochevzky's lawyers that was present to the judge from high ups at the PG office claiming no investigation was underway against Zlochevsky despite Kasko conducting one for the British. I don't know what you think this proves other than Kasko was working uphill. Like he was when Shokin took over as Prosecutor General as well which lead him to resign in protest of his inaction on cases including the one against Zlochevsky. THAT is fact.

This is important Honor...Hunter according to Burisma, headed up the legal affairs for Burisma, and as such, Hunter secured Blue Star, and former U.S. Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Obama administration John Buretta, to help Peters and Peters, a British law firm, in the defense of Zlochevsky.
There is nothing in that which implicates Joe Biden as having engaged in corrupt activity. You're crazy with how you claim innuendo and assumptions are what is important that feed you bias, complain about others being driven by preconceived beliefs leading to ignoring facts, all while being exactly the participant you accuse others of being.

Anyway, that played out about how I thought it would. You don't know what's going on, can't see past the unfortunate bad optics of Hunter being hired by Burisma, and can't assess what actually matters when it comes to the nature of corruption in the Ukraine. I know, "LOL...something something TDS something whatever."
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Markk wrote:He can simply stop opining if it is not worth his time, as with you Jersey Girl. My opinion is he can't get past his talking points, ,or in other words the scenario he has constructed in his mind.

In his defense, unlike others here that just troll, follow, and parrot talking points, Honor has constructed his talking points, while you and other follow such talking points.


The only thing I've been following here is your propensity to madonna/whore your way through a list of posters while now trying to recycle that very list by employing pathetic attempts at baiting them back into discussion with you for the sole purpose of self-validation.

Except for that, I couldn't give two craps about this topic. It's already been discussed and at length, months ago. And if I were interested, you wouldn't be the last person with whom I'd seek meaningful, informative, or productive discussion.

You wouldn't even make the list.
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Re: Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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Oh my! I wonder how many pages markkk, the cheetologist, is going to spend trying to convince us that the Trump family is dirty, deserves to be investigated and didn't do anything to deserve the 10s of millions of dollars that were funneled, secretly, from the Trump campaign to the do nothing significant others of the Trump children...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lara-trump-kimberly-guilfoyle-donald-trump-jr-brad-parscale-trump-reelection-campaign_n_5e66cdb4c5b605572809f789

"President Donald Trump’s campaign manager is quietly channeling money to Eric Trump’s wife, Lara Trump, and Donald Trump Jr.’s girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, The New York Times reported Monday.

The payments are hidden from public view because they’re made through campaign manager Brad Parscale’s private company, Parscale Strategy, based in San Antonio, sources told the Times. Typically, such payments would be part of public filings required by the Federal Election Commission so that donors can find out how their contributions are being used — in this case, to pay members of the president’s family.

The family benefits are linked to a network of politically connected private companies — operating with the support and help of Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner — that have charged roughly $75 million since 2017 to the Trump reelection campaign, the Republican National Committee and other Republican clients, according to the Times."

So, markkk, this deserves to be investigated right? They are, literally, embezzling money from their campaign contributions into the pockets of Trump family and friends while purposely bypassing the FEC (that Trump has purposely gutted).
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Re: Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

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schreech wrote:The family benefits are linked to a network of politically connected private companies — operating with the support and help of Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner — that have charged roughly $75 million since 2017 to the Trump reelection campaign, the Republican National Committee and other Republican clients, according to the Times."

So, markkk, this deserves to be investigated right? They are, literally, embezzling money from their campaign contributions into the pockets of Trump family and friends while purposely bypassing the FEC (that Trump has purposely gutted).

Sorry, screech. Markk isn’t allowed to talk about Trump’s family, and their conflict of interests and profiteering.

By the way, you can add another 130 million taxpayer dollars to your 75 million above, merely from Trump’s golf trips to his own properties since taking office. But, maybe that all gets routed to a Trump charity, or something.

Oh, wait ...
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