Fair. And I have no idea what he should be charged with or convicted of. I was not there.
Seems to me he has a plausible defense and explanation for shooting people that shot at him, threatened him, and pointed a loaded gun at him.
Let it ride in court. ain't my problem.
Yeah, sure. I don't think he has a plausible defense for being there armed with an AR-15, and intent does mean something according to the law. If he had been killed by one of his assailants, I would come to exactly the same conclusion that I have with him. The law differentiates between attempted murder and murder. Yes, failure to do what you intended to do does come with a lighter penalty. Kyle succeeded at what I think he fully intended to do when he went there. I think the evidence that he intended to be a deadly agent of armed security, self-appointed, is incontrovertible. And he succeeded. It was an unlawful enterprise that should be rewarded with an appropriate penalty for that kind of behavior. So, my opinion is that he should have been charged appropriately, and until I see anything that persuades me otherwise, I am of the opinion that he ought to be convicted of what I would have charged him with.
That's just my opinion, and my awareness of the fact that my opinion is of limited value and force in this discussion should be understood when I offer it. Heaven knows I understand that.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
And Ashley Babbitt paid the horrible price for being a violent revolutionary for a wannabe authoritarian leader. It is sad that she thought she was doing a good thing by seeking to overthrow the government so that Trump could stay in office illegally.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
While we disagree some. We agree solidly where it matters. This kid’s most consequential mistake was being there. And a whole lot of bad stuff followed THAT decision. I am sure his mother wishes better decisions had been made. At the age of 17, now 18, hard to predict what that ding dong thinks.
But I still thinks he deserves a fair trial and not one by Twitter and forums.
And Ashley Babbitt paid the horrible price for being a violent revolutionary for a wannabe authoritarian leader. It is sad that she thought she was doing a good thing by seeking to overthrow the government so that Trump could stay in office illegally.
Yup.
Her death is in part the responsibility of those who filled her head with lies about the election having been fraudulent, and then urged her and other Trump supporters to march to the Capitol to "fight" to set things right. (Of course they went there without Trump himself, who chickened out. Donald always thinks first of Donald's precious skin. Or maybe his bone spurs were playing up again?)
Beyond that, I also blame those who (purely for financial gain) created the information systems on which Facebook etc. are modelled - designed to amplify and feed any tendency of their users to disappear down a rabbit-hole to the extreme left, extreme right, extreme racism, or just plain extreme craziness - so long as the money keeps rolling in from all those targeted ads, they just don't care. Without those systems, there is an even chance that Babbitt might have remained a vaguely discontented vet who none the less got by in this world and caused no great harm to anybody.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
While we disagree some. We agree solidly where it matters. This kid’s most consequential mistake was being there. And a whole lot of bad stuff followed THAT decision. I am sure his mother wishes better decisions had been made. At the age of 17, now 18, hard to predict what that ding dong thinks.
But I still thinks he deserves a fair trial and not one by Twitter and forums.
I agree that he deserves a fair trial. I would not want it any other way. I also feel free to opine on a forum.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
Beyond that, I also blame those who (purely for financial gain) created the information systems on which Facebook etc. are modelled - designed to amplify and feed any tendency of their users to disappear down a rabbit-hole to the extreme left, extreme right, extreme racism, or just plain extreme craziness - so long as the money keeps rolling in from all those targeted ads, they just don't care. Without those systems, there is an even chance that Babbitt might have remained a vaguely discontented vet who none the less got by in this world and caused no great harm to anybody.
This is the part we were most unprepared for and that continues to pose a terrible threat. I am not sure how this will be best handled.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
I think it's funny that everyone who insists that we cannot know Kyle's intentions knows the mob intended to kill Kyle.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
I think it's funny that everyone who insists that we cannot know Kyle's intentions knows the mob intended to kill Kyle.
Hush.
You may disturb people's equanimity.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
I think it's funny that everyone who insists that we cannot know Kyle's intentions knows the mob intended to kill Kyle.
Interesting thought. I assume that what is usually assumed here is that Kyle either wrongly perceived that someone was shooting at him or that he just felt threatened by the people who were actually attacking him. I do think there is this assumption that Leftist rioters are seeking to destroy private property and that the police do too little to protect that private property. So Kyle goes there to protect that property, knowing that he is placing himself between the Leftist rioters and the property they want to destroy. If they seek to break the law by destroying property, and he stands in the way, the thinking goes, they better back off if they don't want him to protect that property against them.
I once had a friend who would stand behind you, put his hand next to your face, and then when you turned around to respond to the sound you would smack into his hand and he would say, "You moved into it." I am not sure the thinking of many has progressed beyond "you moved into it."
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
