Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Kevin,

Do you even have a grasp of the topic you're attempting to discuss? Please explain to me why Ms. Miranda is credible when she wrote an extensive Twitter story that she deleted after she realized that Ms. Ford said she didn't discuss the alleged event with anyone until 2012, and then she stated on the record that she had no idea whether or not the allegation was true?

Go ahead. I'm waiting.

eta: Here's the link again so you can get up to speed:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/09/ ... in-school/

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think it's also important to note that skepticism, especially for us ex-Mormons, shouldn't always be rooted in our team versus their team because we believe there's a greater good at stake. That's faith, and that's dogmatism. We learned a hard lesson that turning a blind eye toward reality because we want something to be true can often lead us into error. The transference of our faith and devotion from Mormonism really shouldn't take root in a political party, but rather should be continually founded in skepticism, fact, and pragmatism. What I'm seeing here, the fervent devotion to an R or a D is mystifying because we know better.

- Doc

[_Kevin Graham]

Kevin,
Do you even have a grasp of the topic you're attempting to discuss? Please explain to me why Ms. Miranda is credible when she wrote an extensive Twitter story that she deleted after she realized that Ms. Ford said she didn't discuss the alleged event with anyone until 2012, and then she stated on the record that she had no idea whether or not the allegation was true?

Go ahead. I'm waiting.

eta: Here's the link again so you can get up to speed:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/09/ ... in-school/

- Doc

Ok so now you're admitting to have said what I said you said. But now you're defending it by saying she is a liar because Miranda said other people at the school were talking about the incident, despite the fact that Ford never mentioned it to anyone until 2012.

I have to ask. Did you actually go to a High School or College or even a Church?

Because it should go without saying that if something like this happens with multiple witnesses there is nothing the victim can do to prevent it from being talked about at the school. When kids get their ass beat in a fight, they're not likely to go home and talk about it, but this doesn't mean people at school won't.

According to Miranda,"Many of us heard a buzz about it indirectly with few specific details." Yep, must be a lie, because nothing like this ever happens at High School. No one says anything in the gossip mill, unless a victim tells their parents first.

The reason she deleted her presence on Social media is because:

"In my [Facebook] post, I was empowered, and I was sure that it probably did [Happen]. I had no idea that I would have to now go to the specifics and defend it before 50 cable channels and have my face spread all over [MSNBC] and Twitter.”

Makes perfect sense to me. Nothing here proves she's lying.

[_Kevin Graham]

Ford, instead of notifying the police, thought it better to write letter(s) to Feinstein and then waited patiently for Feinstein to be the one to determine when it would be best to issue a press release....all the while never going to the authorities.
Yep, glad integrity is whats up cor discussion.

OMG, subs is just regurgitating Trump's tweet. The boy is so stupid he has to borrow from the King Moron himself for his commentary.

I have no doubt that, if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, charges would have been immediately filed with local Law Enforcement Authorities by either her or her loving parents. I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!

9:14 AM - Sep 21, 2018

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I see Kevin isn't going to argue in good faith. That's ok. Par for the course. *shrugs*

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

In case anyone who's not totally in the tank for this smear campaign is interested here is Kavanaugh's comment on the latest strategic move by the Democrats:

This alleged event from 35 years ago did not happen. The people who knew me then know that this did not happen, and have said so. This is a smear, plain and simple. I look forward to testifying on Thursday about the truth, and defending my good name—and the reputation for character and integrity I have spent a lifetime building—against these last-minute allegations

It'll be interesting to watch this circus go down on Thursday.

- Doc

[Guest]

Here's the White House's point-by-point rebuttal:

Here is the statement in full:

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS MADE IN THE NEW YORKER ARTICLE ON JUDGE BRETT KAVANAUGH

“This alleged event from 35 years ago did not happen. The people who knew me then know that this did not happen, and have said so. This is a smear, plain and simple. I look forward to testifying on Thursday about the truth, and defending my good name—and the reputation for character and integrity I have spent a lifetime building—against these last-minute allegations.” – Judge Brett Kavanaugh

The accuser, Deborah Ramirez, admits in The New Yorker’s piece that there were “significant gaps” in her memories about the event.

“She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident.”

“Ramirez acknowledged that there are significant gaps in her memories of the evening…”

By The New Yorker’s own admission, Ramirez was reluctant to speak with certainty on the allegation.

“In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty.”

It took six days of “assessing her memories” for Ramirez to say she recalled Kavanaugh committing the alleged incident, and that came only after consulting with an attorney provided by the Democrats.

“After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections…”

“Senate aides from Ramirez’s home state of Colorado alerted a lawyer, Stanley Garnett, a former Democratic district attorney in Boulder, who currently represents her.”

The New Yorker admits it has not confirmed through eyewitnesses Kavanaugh was even present at the party and other students who knew Kavanaugh said they never heard of the incident.


“The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party.”

“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved in the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events…”

“We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place.”

“Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale. We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not.”

Further, those classmates said that the allegations in the story would be completely out of character for Kavanaugh.

“The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett.”

A former student who was best friends with Ramirez said she never told her about the incident despite how close they were.

“The former friend who was married to the male classmate alleged to be involved, and who signed the statement, said of Ramirez, ‘This is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.’”

Pretty weak sauce by the Democrats... They should've stuck with the perjury issues at hand.

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

It'll be interesting to watch this circus go down on Thursday.

In discussing other political implications to this outside of Kavanaugh, I'll be interested to see how Republicans handle the questioning of Ford. There is a definite optics problem whether they chose to question her themselves or bring in outside help. For my own personal reasons I'm hopeful that Ted Cruz will come off as a disagreeable and revolting bully, as he is want to do.

[_Kevin Graham]

I see Kevin isn't going to argue in good faith. That's ok. Par for the course. *shrugs*

- Doc

You may need to seek some kind of therapy. You're literally quoting White House PR statements from the most dishonest administration in US history.

You have issues accepting the credibility of named people claiming to have known Kavanaugh to be a sexual pervert, but you have no problem accepting the credibility of an anonymous "best friend" of who says she hasn't spoken to her "best friend" in over 10 years.

According to Ramirez, “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she told The New Yorker. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She said she shared some details about what happened with her mother and sister at the time, but not all of it, because of the embarrassment.

So she never claimed to have told any friends about it so for any "friends" to come forth saying they knew nothing about it is irrelevant. And I love how you and the Right Wing media go ahead and take it for granted that this mystery person is truly her "best friend" without vetting her or asking Ramirez if she even knows her.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Lets see, no witnesses, no forensics, not even a meaningful narrative...but solely based on a mysterious unjustified partisan accusation

We can come to that conclusion after an investigation happens, not before.

It's just the oddest thing to see these people repeat over and over again that Kavanaugh may not be guilty, but let's investigate him anyway.

There is nothing wrong to have an investigation, it is not like the SWAT team is going to raid Kavanaugh's house with big guns. Police brutality only happens in s*** hole communities. Kavanaugh is rich and can only get a first class investigation.

An investigation is just an investigation, nothing more.