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Coffee,

I can tel that you are quite angry about a few things. And you made some very good points. However, let me break some things down for you that perhaps you missed in being so worked up.

Ok, I've had my coffee and enough time to work up a good rant on this topic.


First of all it is telling that you had to "work up a good rant". That says to me that this issue isn't as big anymore as you and Cog dumbass are trying to make it.

It's not the concept of "reparations" that pisses me off so much as it's this mind-bogglingly retarded sense of entitlement that quite a few blacks I've either read about, seen, or heard in the news media or have talked to personnally. While I think "reparations" are a crock of crap to begin with, it's the sense of entitlement that really pisses me off.


Please list all of the well-known blacks that you have heard of, and links to their statements that justify this claim. I myself have never wanted reparations, and for that matter, neither has either side of my family, and some of those f*ckers are pretty damn ignorant. They're walking statistics and they don't want reparations. What some do want is a chance to be seen outside of stereotypes. But I tell them that they day they stop perpetuating is the day they break the cycle.

Now here this. I do not owe you crap. Other than courteous and civil treatment in public, unless you're a former or current service Marine, you do not rate a damned thing from me.


Semper Fi


Little story. Years back when I was a newly minted Sergeant in the Corps, one of my collegues, a black Staff Sergeant, suggested that "white America' somehow owed "African-Americans" for slavery.

"Even me, Staff Sergeant," I asked.

"Well, you are white," he replied.

"We, Staff Sergeant, considering that half of my familly came to the US in the early 1930's to escape the Nazis, one quater didn't come here till the 1890's, and the other quarter had been roaming the great plains for a few thousand years before this country was even around, I submit that I don't owe you crap," I fired back.

See, for one, the majority of "white" people in the US, their ancestors immigrated well after Slavery had ended.


Even though I have not seen a statistic on this, I am inclined to agree, and that is one of the reasons why I thought reparations was stupid.

For another, a large percentage of "african-Americans" arrived AFTER slavery had ended as well.


Um, ok. Proof of how exactly all those folks from Africa were able to book passage and come over to this place where the streets were supposedly paved with gold. How did they hear of it, and hear that it was a safe place to come, especially in light of memories (that are still alive today in certain parts of west Africa) of the slave trade?


you can take your sense of entitlement and your ideas that I somehow owe your people money and place it where it belongs... Round filed, and promptly shunted to the recycle bin.


You can take a file and start rubbing down that chip on your shoulder.

Everytime I hear raging idiots [insert GIMR: they are] like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton start spewing their BS I have to ask the entire Black community if these boneheads really speak for them.


You're amusing. When did you ask me or those I know? Let me answer for us. NO.

If they don't speak for the entire community, then why do the members of your community not tell Sharpton and Jackson to sit down and shut up? I see the same thing in the Arab community when they say "oh, terrorists are bad" yet they don't really do anything to proactively correct the situation.


As much of a wonderful American as you are, you obviously don't understand the principle of free speech. They're gonna talk, so what do we do, shoot them in a drive-by?

It's called guilt by association,


No, it's called too much caffeine.

and untill the more sensable members of the black community do something to correct the saituation they are every bit as guilty for promoting the stereotype of race-card playing blacks and two-faced racist hypocrisy.


Perhaps you can be a little bit better than Cog and give us some documented proof that the black community is as racially depraved as you say. I have promoted no such stereotype, though I have known some who have. I was emphatic when speaking with them, in explaining the error of their ways. I've done it with parents and peers. What have you done other than this rant?

If you haven't personnaly earned it, then you DO NOT deserve anything.


Common sense. Do you feel you have earned my respect as a black person?

I've heard some blacks complain that they should be given things, like an education, or better housing, or money, or cars, or jobs. Well, I earned my education, I earned my home, I earned my money, I earned everything I have basically through hard work and smart investing.


Again, common sense. Take a look at this: Ignorance on whose part?

Not only that, I've had an ongoing fight with a cousin who stays on public assistance. I'm pissed because she's f*cking lazy and incompetent. Yet because she opens her legs at intervals inconvenient to her life and that of society's, she gets medicaid, food stams, and a section-8 apartment. I, who am ill, who work full time and go to school full time have to struggle, and have two jobs if I want to survive outside of mom's house. She is in the whole "black persecution" thing. And I try my best to persecute her dumb, narrow black ass as much as I can. I will not let her sit around and smoke weed (and don't attach cultural stereotypes of any kind to that please) while I work.


If I can do it, then everyone else has no damned excuse for not doing the same. You want to get that college education? There are ways to do it, but only IF you put in the effort to obtain it. There are ways to get that nice house with the nice car and the nice job with the nice salery. It's called get off your ass and apply yourself. I did it, therefore everyone else can too baring a medical condition that prevents it. Last time I checked, skin tone was not a handicap.


You really need a reality check. How many black people have you come across, other than a few who think the way you assume?


Oh, and if someone could tell every ethnic group in the US to knock it off with that retarded hyphenated-American crap, I'd appreciate it. Clue you in on something, if you were born in the US to naturalized citizens or legal immigrants, and in some cases even if your parents hopped the fence, you are an AMERICAN.


True, but I think a refresher lesson on American history would explain why this phenomenon exists.

Having pride in your herritage is a good thing, knowing where you came from, adding to the diverse cultural melting pot that is this great nation and all that. But when it's at the expense of civic and national duty or pride, then your pride in your herritage becomes a detriment to our society as a whole.


How has calling me an African-American or someone else a hyphenated American cost you money? Can you please give a specific example?

Also, that "InsertEthnicityHere-American" stuff is silly as hell. I mean, if I did that I'd be a "German-Norwiegan-American Indian-American". Say that crap five times fast, send me a recording, and I'll mail you a cookie.


And I'm an English-Irish-African-Native-American. Say that. What is your point?

It gets worse though. Let's say you've got a guy whose parents are originally from Spain. You'd see that guy bebopping along and assume he's a "Latino" or "Latin -American". And you'd be a dumbass too. Or how about a guy whose parents came from Jamaca? If he a African-Jamacan-American?

Worst case, how about a white guy whose parents where racist appartide supporting Boars from South Africa. Technically that white guy is an "African-American". So is the Arab kid whose parents came from north africa.

See who retarded that Hyphenated-American crap is yet?


I think your points ran out before your caffeine supply did. You made some valid points, then you got really ignorant with it. I'm disappointed.
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GIMR wrote:I can tel that you are quite angry about a few things.


Not angry at all really. Just annoyed at how some people are hellfired and damned determined to divid this country over what is essentially very petty crap. Slavery happened, it sucked, the situation was corrected, learn from it and move on, people.


GIMR wrote:First of all it is telling that you had to "work up a good rant". That says to me that this issue isn't as big anymore as you and Cog dumbass are trying to make it.


Pretty much true. I mean I said, what, four or five days back that I was going to post a rant on this? If it was really that important of an issue and not a relitively minor annoyance I'd have posted sooner.

GIMR wrote:Please list all of the well-known blacks that you have heard of, and links to their statements that justify this claim.


Oh the top of my head, jackholes like Sharpton, Jackson, and Farikan are at the top of the list. Doesn't help matters that the NAACP tends to blow a fanfare for the bandwagon everything some asshole is on drugs and resists arrest. But then, I tend to view organizations like the NAACP as being the Klan with a Tan.

As far as articles, just read the "man on the street" or "community reaction" portions of a given article the next time someone arbitrarilly decides they've been discriminated against.

Sad fact is, most blacks these days wouldn't know what true discrimination was if it kicked them in the balls and sold them at market. I went to a "predomently black" high school, and you know what I found out? Blacks are just as prone to being racist assholes as whites, only whites don't get a get-out-of-jail-free-card for being racist. We get protested at.


GIMR wrote:I myself have never wanted reparations, and for that matter, neither has either side of my family, and some of those f*ckers are pretty damn ignorant. They're walking statistics and they don't want reparations. What some do want is a chance to be seen outside of stereotypes. But I tell them that they day they stop perpetuating is the day they break the cycle.


If only more members of the black community thought like you and decided to be positive role models. Takes a village and all the crap, right.


GIMR wrote:Semper Fi


OoooRAH!


GIMR wrote:Even though I have not seen a statistic on this, I am inclined to agree, and that is one of the reasons why I thought reparations was stupid.


It's not really the reparations issues. That's just a symptom of an much more crippling disease. It's that damned sense of entitlement that a good number of blacks seem to feel that's killing your community, GIMR. Those lazy assholes that expect to have crap handed to them, that don't put in the effort in school, that don't work hard, that don't make something of themselves or try to better their community.


GIMR wrote:Um, ok. Proof of how exactly all those folks from Africa were able to book passage and come over to this place where the streets were supposedly paved with gold.


Because to assume that all blacks living in the US currently are decended from the original 500,000 or so slave brought in is idiotic and ignores the plan as day evidence of other non-african blacks in the US (Jamacans, etc).


GIMR wrote:You can take a file and start rubbing down that chip on your shoulder.


More of a splinter than anything else... Want to see me get really worked up, ask me what I REALLY think about Islamics as a whole.

GIMR wrote:When did you ask me or those I know? Let me answer for us. NO.
GIMR wrote:
Ok, so then why are retarded little publicity junkies like Sharpton or Jackson allowed to be the public face of black America?


GIMR wrote:As much of a wonderful American as you are, you obviously don't understand the principle of free speech. They're gonna talk, so what do we do, shoot them in a drive-by?


I understand what free speech is, but I also understand that when someone says something stupid you call them on it and make them look like the little pointyheaded retards they are in front of their peers.

There's a concept. Next time SharpJack opens their pieholes, why not tell them loudly and publically what a pair of absolute racist asstards they really are.


GIMR wrote:Perhaps you can be a little bit better than Cog and give us some documented proof that the black community is as racially depraved as you say.


When was the last time you saw blacks stage a march because someone who was not black was discriminated against? Or when was the last time you saw protests over a few blacks beating the crap out of some poor jewish kid (happened last year in NYC)?

Blacks get persecuted and the protest signs come out. Everyone else? “F” them, huh?


GIMR wrote:I have promoted no such stereotype


Wasn't talking about you, now was I? You are a blam person, an individual who is black, not the Black Community. Just a member of it.


GIMR wrote: though I have known some who have.


So then there's your evidence that there are in fact blacks that think and act exactly as I described. You've seen it for yourself.


GIMR wrote:I was emphatic when speaking with them, in explaining the error of their ways. I've done it with parents and peers. What have you done other than this rant?


Everything from sitting down to talk to a young private who had issues to giving wall-to-wall counciling to a fellow SNCO for not getting the point. I've done everything from drumming guys who just didn't understand that racism has no place in my society out of the Corps with a BCD to dropping the dime on other SNCOs and officers for being racist idiots.

I've got a zero-tolerence for racists and I've done quite a bit more than just "rant" about it, up to and including placing my own career and chances at promotion on the line.


GIMR wrote:Common sense. Do you feel you have earned my respect as a black person?


Not sure. If I did, cool. If not, I'm not going to loose sleep over it.


GIMR wrote:You really need a reality check. How many black people have you come across, other than a few who think the way you assume?


Quite a few. I'm talking to one right now if your comments about your cousin being on welfare are any indication.


GIMR wrote:How has calling me an African-American or someone else a hyphenated American cost you money?


Where did I mention anything about it costing me money? Here, I'll repost it so you can read it this time...

But when it's at the expense of civic and national duty or pride, then your pride in your herritage becomes a detriment to our society as a whole.


Nope, no mention of money at all. Instead I talked about civic and national duty/pride being placed above duty to or pride in where your great grandparents came from. Duty, pride, and loyalty to where you are from, not where your people came from.

Get it?

GIMR wrote:I think your points ran out before your caffeine supply did. You made some valid points, then you got really ignorant with it.


Like I said, this is a topic that's mostly annoying and not a true damned piss off. If a group of people want to make themselves look like idiots as a community, I'll frown a bit and then I'll laugh my ass off when they bitch, whine, and complain about having a negitive stereotype associated with them.
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I like you. We shall continue this after I get my papers in. I agree with a lot that you say. And it does take a village. But know that some storms brew quietly, my dear.

Until later.
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GIMR wrote:I like you. We shall continue this after I get my papers in. I agree with a lot that you say. And it does take a village. But know that some storms brew quietly, my dear.

Until later.


Back at you, GIMR. It's actually nice to have a conversation on this subject with a black person and not immediately get called a racist or accused of being a klownsman because I said said something negitive about their community.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:
GIMR wrote:I like you. We shall continue this after I get my papers in. I agree with a lot that you say. And it does take a village. But know that some storms brew quietly, my dear.

Until later.


Back at you, GIMR. It's actually nice to have a conversation on this subject with a black person and not immediately get called a racist or accused of being a klownsman because I said said something negitive about their community.


Oh my dear, I have so much to tell you. Honey, according to many blacks, I'M racist. Against them, of course. And in a way, growing up, I was. But that was only because of the way they treated me, and their treatment in and of itself was a form of racism. Don't be black and pass for anything other than that. If my hair is done right, and I do not speak English, people do not know I'm black. Germany was a very interesting time, the Germans never spoke English to me, even when I was with my parents, who looked like Americans. And they were both chocolate to my café au lait. It was hilarious. But it taught me the language in six months and gave me a love for that country. I hope to go back someday.

I have quite a story. One more paper and a quiz to go, we'll talk over the weekend. Many laughs ahead, I'm sure.
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Misunderstanding works both ways, the Klan really just wants to have fun.
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Gaz, I knew I should not have given you those mushrooms!

ROFL

You crazy.

You like my instructions on how to play gritball? D'you understand now why it brought Al Green to Jesus? He was a skank before gritball.
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From the Wiki:

Conversion
On October 18, 1974, Green's girlfriend, Mary Woodson, poured boiling grits on him as he was showering because he had rejected her marriage proposal. This caused second-degree burns on his back, stomach and arm. She then killed herself in an adjacent bedroom. Deeply shaken, Green converted to Christianity and became an ordained pastor of the Full Gospel Tabernacle in Memphis in 1976.


Damn. that's harsh.

If he was sleeping around though, he totally deserved it.
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Two possible outcomes stem from this for me: Either she was extremely disturbed, or Green was cheating, she tried to "tie him down" as the slang goes, and was unable to do so.

From speaking with my mom, she says Green was a ho. But even so, that is a terrible thing to have happen, both to her and him. But I think his finding Jesus had to do with something more than just witnessing a suicide and getting scalded. There's some guilt in there...or at least there was.
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Just a side note. It's so nice having a discussion without Cog driveling about how the world is facist for not thinking in his bigoted way. I for one am looking forward to talking to Mr. Coffee, and anyone else willing to dialogue. Cog was and has never been willing to do that. You either stroke his priesthood or you are an idiot.

The silence is refreshing. Now I can hear myself and others speak.
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