Surviving the Ending of America

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Re: Surviving the Ending of America

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Gunnar wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:58 am
None of the states would fare well due to the red states seceding from the Union, but the most disastrous consequences would fall on the red states themselves -- especially upon the non-white citizens of those states, whether they are actually in the minority or not, which is probably one of the stronger motivations for the white, racist advocates of secession to favor secession in the first place.
The only thing that makes it worth while to discuss the extremely unlikely event of the Red states attempting to leave the Union and succeeding is that this is a recurring fantasy of some less sophisticated Republicans who wrongly imagine that it would make them better off.

You'll never hear Mitch McConnell touting that idea. Even Trump has never mentioned it as a possibility so far as I know.*


*Or has he?
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:07 pm
Moksha wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:07 pm
The majority of the South wants to secede from America.
I doubt that's true. I suspect it's only a minority of idiotic, vocal malcontents who want to secede.

[...]
I am pretty sure you are right about that. Most people are intelligent enough to realise that the break-up of the Union and the disruption of its huge internal market would've itself damage the prosperity of every American, whatever the supposed benefits for individual states might be imagined to be.
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Chap wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:33 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:07 pm


I doubt that's true. I suspect it's only a minority of idiotic, vocal malcontents who want to secede.

[...]
I am pretty sure you are right about that. Most people are intelligent enough to realise that the break-up of the Union and the disruption of its huge internal market would've itself damage the prosperity of every American, whatever the supposed benefits for individual states might be imagined to be.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:52 pm
Chap wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:33 pm

I am pretty sure you are right about that. Most people are intelligent enough to realise that the break-up of the Union and the disruption of its huge internal market would've itself damage the prosperity of every American, whatever the supposed benefits for individual states might be imagined to be.
> Brexit enters the chat

"You wot, mate?"

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I suppose I was assuming that the high level of intelligence and analytical appreciation of current affairs that I see on this board were evidence that Americans would make better decisions that some UK voters did.

It would've course be very unpatriotic of you to disagree.
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Re: Surviving the Ending of America

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Chap wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:17 pm

I suppose I was assuming that the high level of intelligence and analytical appreciation of current affairs that I see on this board were evidence that Americans would make better decisions that some UK voters did.
My observation is that good critical thinking skills does not represent a majority of adult humans. I suspect it is not even a large minority. The problem I see today is most people having less trust of government and media and instead go to worse sources of information as to how they are going to believe. I suspect this lead to enough people voting for brexit. I don't think it is that serious in the US. Most countries have people who want some area of the country to succeed, but most numbers are in single digit percentages. Some exceptions are places like Scotland, northern Ireland, Quebec. I don't know of any area in the US anywhere close to these areas.
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You'll never hear Mitch McConnell touting that idea.
No you won't. Mitch needs to go.
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Chap wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:17 pm
Even Trump has never mentioned it as a possibility so far as I know.
Probably not, as that might choke off his steady supply of non-resident landscaping employees.
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Chap wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:17 pm
Even Trump has never mentioned it as a possibility so far as I know.*


*Or has he?
I doubt it. I'd be very surprised if Trump said it and it wasn't plastered all over the news.

Kind of surprising that he hasn't, though. One would imagine he'd use that nugget at some point. He's never been one to care about consequences or the destruction of America.
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Themis wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:44 pm
Chap wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:17 pm

I suppose I was assuming that the high level of intelligence and analytical appreciation of current affairs that I see on this board were evidence that Americans would make better decisions that some UK voters did.
My observation is that good critical thinking skills does not represent a majority of adult humans. I suspect it is not even a large minority. The problem I see today is most people having less trust of government and media and instead go to worse sources of information as to how they are going to believe. I suspect this lead to enough people voting for brexit. I don't think it is that serious in the US. Most countries have people who want some area of the country to succeed, but most numbers are in single digit percentages. Some exceptions are places like Scotland, northern Ireland, Quebec. I don't know of any area in the US anywhere close to these areas.
I don't think our hardware is evolved for critical thinking. Even folks who seem to be pretty good at it have some enormous blind spots. Too much of our decision making processes go on "under the hood," where the conscious part of our brains has no access. Even when we try to think critically, there is no good way for us to tell what is reasoning and what is rationalizing.
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Re: Surviving the Ending of America

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Well, it looks like America gets a few more days now that Twitter has decided it’s going to stop aiding and abetting the Big Lie:

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