Obama finally resolves birth cert issue of his own making

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Re: Obama finally resolves birth cert issue of his own making

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Baker wrote:b***s***, bc, complete and utter b***s***. The controversy arose because Obama is the half-black son of a Kenyan.

I'm not so sure anymore. I mean, I'm sure you're right about some people, but I'm not 100% convinced that it's the black/white thing for all the birthers.

Does the phrase "cattle futures" ring any bells? How about Vince Foster? Do you recall all the conspiracy theories surrounding Bill Clinton when he was in office?

I think most of the impetus behind the Birthers was just the far-right fringe of the Republican party cannot accept the legitimacy of a Democrat being President. The whole birth certificate thing just happened to be what they latched onto with Obama. Now that the birth certificate is out you're hearing people say it doesn't matter, he's still not "natural born" according to their legal theory, because his dad is Kenyan, or because he may have implicitly become a dual citizen at some point, or whatever.

I have an idea. Go find a rabid birther. Tell him that Obama will be removed from office, and replaced with Joe Biden. Ask what they think about that. I guarangoddamntee you they won't be any happier about that. It's not about Obama's race - it's about his party affiliation. At least, I think that's the strongest of the influences underpinning this whole birther thing. I'm sure there are some racists there too.
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Sethbag wrote:I think most of the impetus behind the Birthers was just the far-right fringe of the Republican party cannot accept the legitimacy of a Democrat being President.


So you are ruling out chromosomal abnormalities as the cause of Birtherism?
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The real problem which should have been discussed and resolved is that Obama is simply NOT a "natural born" citizen.

A natural born citizen is someone born to two citizens in the U.S. or said territory, etc.

Even McCain had to prove before Congress that he was a natural born citizen because he was born on a military base. And guess who was the chief sponsor of the McCain witch-hunt? OBAMA!!!

Obama however clearly and unequivocally wasn't born to two U.S. Citizens, thus by law he's Usurped power from this country. The birth certificate wasn't simply to demonstrate whether he was born here or not, but to show clearly that he's not a natural born citizen.

The Constitution is clear on this, and it was put there for a good reason, and we can all now see some of the consequences of allowing this shame to continue. His allegiances are split.....
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I would like to further make clear that this issue clearly shows the "degree" of liberal ignorance and slander.

They have no comprehension of the Constitution, nor Obama who he actually is, his history, beliefs, etc.... And so because they cannot comprehend, they see something like the birthers, and they in their ignorance default to "racism". They further default to racism, ignoring the fact, that outside of the birther issue, those who really didn't care or themselves understand the actual issue, Obama is not liked simply because he's the most fascist, socialist, marxist President we've had (save maybe Wilson) and such ideology's are completely anathema to the American experience, dream, constitution, freedom, etc. Nearly every value America stands for, Obama and his radical 60's Democrat friends are out to completely destroy this country, to make it low like all others, to perminantly consolidate Democrat power by making American's dependent on the state, rather than freedome and oppotunity being the standard America lives by.

But, because liberals don't understand, are ignorant of all these things, they see his nice smile and kindly personality, and all they can think is "racism".

The simple fact is, if Obama was White, with everything else being exactly the same, we would be still saying the same exact things. The truth is the truth, and racism or any other immorality that liberals falsely attribute to conservatives and their views, simply have nothing at all to do with the matter.

Liberals/Anti-mormons..... All peas from the same ignorant ideological and fruits pod.
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Obiwan, do you still believe that every person that has ever tried to assassinate a U.S president was a leftist?
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Obiwan wrote:Obama is not liked simply because he's the most fascist, socialist, marxist


Pick one. Political Science 101:


Left: Communism/Socialism ---------------Center ---------------------Fascism : Right

(save maybe Wilson) and such ideology's are completely anathema to the American experience, dream, constitution, freedom, etc.


I almost guarantee you meant FDR for the New Deal. Wilson was a racist and certainly a proponent of American exceptionalism.

But, because liberals don't understand, are ignorant of all these things, they see his nice smile and kindly personality, and all they can think is "racism".


We recognize that birthers are incapable of giving Obama any credit while we can at least recognize Obama's short falls. I thought the health care bill was very weak and the debate far too drawn out. Obama (until recently) seemed to have real trouble with putting forth concise messages about his policy, letting the narrative be framed by conservative media. See I can criticize him. Can you give him any credit?

The simple fact is, if Obama was White, with everything else being exactly the same, we would be still saying the same exact things. The truth is the truth, and racism or any other immorality that liberals falsely attribute to conservatives and their views, simply have nothing at all to do with the matter.


Reality. Obama was dealt a terrible hand by the Bush administration. Two wars, Medicare Part D and the Bush tax cuts (which created minimal jobs) led to most of our government's long term debt, plus a financial meltdown. That can't be fixed in a week. This will take years to recover from, since it took decades to come to a head and all our bubbles to pop. Today, Obama has been great for business, the stock market is way up. The economy is slowly coming back to life. He's finally righting our foreign policy and he (by directing our excellent military) killed the guy who planned 9/11, the defining moment of the past what, thirty years? He oversaw the killing of America's biggest boogie man since the Russians. Obama is a centrist. IF he was white he'd be somewhere around Reagan (well Reagan raised taxes). Racism is a key issue to birtherism, coupled with nativist elitism that anyone who is white can't be President. Hopefully I'll live to see a Hispanic or Asian President so I can see this play out again.

Liberals/Anti-Mormons..... All peas from the same ignorant ideological and fruits pod.


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B23 wrote:Pick one. Political Science 101:

Left: Communism/Socialism ---------------Center ---------------------Fascism : Right


Leftist historical revisionism is not "Political Science 101".....

This is the actual spectrum of Political Science 101:

Left: Facism/Communism/Socialism -------------Center---------------Freedom/Anarchy : Right.

Facism is the extreme result of LEFTIST ideology, not ideology of the Right.
The extreme of Right ideology is Anarchy, not Facism. Read the book "Liberal Facism" and get introduced to a primer on what the actual history and ideology's are and how liberalism has revised said history.

Proof to the par, name a single Facist Conservative?
Hitler was a nationalist socialist and ultimately a Facist, not a conservative.
Musolini was a communist and ultimately a Facist, not a conservative.
North Korea, communists and ultimately Facists, not conservative.
Cuba, communists and ultimately Facists, not conservative.
Venesuela, socialists and ultimately Facists, not conservative.

On and on and on.... Every communist/socialist revolution and leader either remained such or became facists. That I can think of off hand, there isn't a single conservative that ultimately became a facist. And if there is one, then they were more liberal than conservative. It's like liberals trying to make Hitler conservative just because he had christian tendacy's, used/forced corporations to do stuff, or killed some other socialists. Liberals eat their own, and everything about him otherwise was communist/socialist/facist. Take Obama, supposudly a Christian, yet willingly attack liberals when it suits them. He uses corporations, etc. Yet, everything about him is communist/socialist/facist. Simply because someone has "some" conservative aspects, usually a perversion thereof, doesn't somehow make the the "right". For example, Obama's liberal/social justice Christianity is not TRUE Christian Ideology, it is a perversion. Obama's use of Corporation is a perversion of Conservative principles based on capitalism, freedom, etc.

Anyway, read the book and learn something, rather than your liberal propaganda.

I almost guarantee you meant FDR for the New Deal. Wilson was a racist and certainly a proponent of American exceptionalism.


FDR was bad in some ways, but okay in others. His New Deal for example is not what exists today, it's went way beyond it's intent.

No, I meant Wilson.... Wilson was a nightmare leftist. Obama says similar lingo of American Exceptionalism, yet he doesn't believe a word of it, and his fruits are otherwise. Anyway, if you are trying to claim Wilson a conservative, simply because he has mimicked some conservative ideas, read the book and learn something.

We recognize that birthers are incapable of giving Obama any credit while we can at least recognize Obama's short falls. I thought the health care bill was very weak and the debate far too drawn out. Obama (until recently) seemed to have real trouble with putting forth concise messages about his policy, letting the narrative be framed by conservative media. See I can criticize him. Can you give him any credit?


Boring.... Conservatives give Obama credit when it is due, and we bashed Bush when it was due. The problem is not his "message" delivery, the problem is his ideology and fruits. "We" are not the problem, him and his administration is. Sure, I can give him credit. Great, he killed some bad guys and didn't close Gitmo. Everything else nearly has been "bad".

Reality. Obama was dealt a terrible hand by the Bush administration. Two wars, Medicare Part D and the Bush tax cuts (which created minimal jobs) led to most of our government's long term debt, plus a financial meltdown. That can't be fixed in a week. This will take years to recover from, since it took decades to come to a head and all our bubbles to pop. Today, Obama has been great for business, the stock market is way up. The economy is slowly coming back to life. He's finally righting our foreign policy and he (by directing our excellent military) killed the guy who planned 9/11, the defining moment of the past what, thirty years? He oversaw the killing of America's biggest boogie man since the Russians. Obama is a centrist. IF he was white he'd be somewhere around Reagan (well Reagan raised taxes). Racism is a key issue to birtherism, coupled with nativist elitism that anyone who is white can't be President. Hopefully I'll live to see a Hispanic or Asian President so I can see this play out again.


The actual "reality" is that the economic issues were caused by liberals "congress" and made much much worse by Obama. Liberals implimented the policy's which created the mortgage collapse, and prevent Bush, McCain and other conservatives from fixing the problems they saw. Bush may have been President, but he didn't have control of the laws. Congress makes the policy's, not the President in case you didn't know. Have you seen the Youtube videos on this issue, one for example of Barney Frank saying there is "nothing wrong with Fanny and Freddy"???

And you are so clueless..... You like all leftists can't comprehend the difference from his rhetoric with the actions of his administration and the other leftists in power. People who own businesses, own homes, etc. etc. all know exactly what OBAMA has done, not Bush, not conservatives, etc. etc. Policy's which came into effect AFTER BUSH. Obama is NOTHING CLOSE to "Reagan"..... haa haa, funnyiest thing I've heard. Reagon did raise CERTAIN taxes, but he SIGNIFICANTLY MORE lowered all taxes put together. Thus, Reagan lowered taxes. This is simply normal business practice..... You raise things in certain areas as necessary, and you lower things in other, and with the purpose of lowering OVERALL costs. Thus, when liberals say Reagon raised taxes, it's a misrepresentation of his actions. He lowered well over twice of what he raised, thus, that means he lowered taxes.

Let me give you just one example of Obama not being "great for business". Do you know why there are so many forclosed homes? While there are many reasons, one in particular was a direct result of Obama policy's. You know the bank bailouts? Well, they put a rule in there that anyone that owened a home, it had to be your primary residence, and you had to own it for at least a year, otherwise you couldn't sell it. People wanting to buy your home, couldn't get loans for the home to buy it. In other words, Obama implimented a policy when caused MANY to loose their homes, both their primary residences and their investment properties. There are many many more examples like this in private and the business sector. You don't know a darn thing you are talking about.

I would like to see Herman Cain or Alex Jones as President...... Though, my ideal duo would likely be Romney Pres and Alex Jones VP. Although, I'm liking Santorum seeing him in the Presidential debate the other day, so I might have to revise my choices.

Our views have NOTHING to do with "race"..... You are a fool!
You calling our views as being "racism" only shows your own ignorance and racism.

Your first draft of this post was written in crayon. I have photos.


Typical liberals, think and judge things like children do..... instead of considering the full facts and truths of things.
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Eric wrote:Obiwan, do you still believe that every person that has ever tried to assassinate a U.S president was a leftist?


And you continue being an idiot..... First, I said "basically every one", and I said "attempted and/or did kill", and second I/we prooved it to you. The only one who MIGHT have been on the right showed no evidence at all of being on the right other than his "family" being on the right. Further, his actions demonstrated no actual "right" behaviors nor ideology's involved in his actions. It was simply a crazy man who had an obsession with a celebrity.

Otherwise, essentially every assassin and attempted assassin was on the LEFT, not the Right. I prooved it with several examples an analysis in that thread. All you did was focus on the ONE GUY who had ANY sort of slim relation to the right, and ignoring that I said "basically" and "essentially". Thus, I was deliniating the fact that there was likely such a person who had "some sort" of relation to the right, but otherwise basically all were leftists.

It's amazing that people have such low intellectual and logic skills, while acting like they got it right, when they actually got nothing right. You did nothing but harp on an extremely weak example of your claim, while I showed several examples of clear leftists clearly proving my claim.

You really need to read that thread again, and get off your highhorse, cause you keep bringing this up out of the blue, trying to make me seem stupid when YOU are the stupid one.
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Obiwan wrote:First, I said "basically every one", and I said "attempted and/or did kill", and second I/we prooved it to you.


No, this is what you said:

every person that tried to kill an American President has been a leftist


Seems like you can't even keep track of what you're saying on these message boards. Do you retract the above quoted statement?

It's amazing that people have such low intellectual and logic skills, while acting like they got it right, when they actually got nothing right.


If there was some kind of award for the most ironic statement ever made on this message board...

You did nothing but harp on an extremely weak example of your claim, while I showed several examples of clear leftists clearly proving my claim.


McKinley was just one example. You failed to talk about John Wilkes Booth. What gives?

You really need to read that thread again, and get off your highhorse, cause you keep bringing this up out of the blue, trying to make me seem stupid when YOU are the stupid one.


Trust me Obiwan, you don't need any help from me. Here is the thread, with several posts you haven't answered:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17396&start=0

So again I ask, do you retract your statement that "every person that tried to kill an American President has been a leftist" now?
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Dear Obiwan,

Could you name me any GOP Member of the U.S. Congress that agrees with you that President Barack Obama is not "a natural born American citizen?" As far as I am aware, there is not even one single GOP Member of the U.S. Congress that agrees with you that President Barack Obama is not "a natural born American citizen." I think that all of the GOP Members of Congress do believe that President Barack Obama is "a natural born American citizen." Are you just going by what the far right news outlet, World-Net-Daily, which has been claiming that President Barack Obama is not "a natural born American citizen?"


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