Utah's problem with pornography makes national news.

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ldsfaqs wrote:Yes, I am speaking from experience. I'm a computer and internet expert, and I'm an objective learner. I study all things, so I can know all sides and know what the actual truth of things are. Thus, yes, I'm also well familar with the filth that is online, that anyone can easily access.


I'm sure you have to go looking for it. Granted, an unfortunate search word can bring up a link to pornography, but it doesn't just appear there.

ldsfaqs wrote:At least in the old days you had to be exposed to some porn magazine some immoral dad had, or some immoral store owner would sale you.

Today, it's a sad state.


It is. Bill Marriott may be phasing his porn service from his hotels, but it is still in there. Books of Mormon are immediately available in his hotels, but porn has to be phased out. I'm sure that the church had no problem accepting his tithes.

ldsfaqs wrote:Further, your comment is a sad state of affairs, how people like you willingly degrade and make off handed comments, and slander about people. You are an example of what's wrong with the world.


People like Bill Marriott are what is wrong with the world. How many years have family groups tried to get his hotel chain to remove the filth he provides? Did he show morals? What about the church? Did they refuse to take his money, knowing that some of that income came from pornography?
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ldsfaqs wrote:Which is exactly my point..... You're a ex-member, inactive, whatever, and you need your porn, so you get it online...

Of course, you may have just been joking ...


You don't say.
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Melchett wrote:It is. Bill Marriott may be phasing his porn service from his hotels, but it is still in there. Books of Mormon are immediately available in his hotels, but porn has to be phased out. I'm sure that the church had no problem accepting his tithes.


See, here is another perfect example of how evil people use no intellectual skills to make their judgments.
They see the Name of a Company, see the person who started it, and then their brain STOPS. They then judge.

What they ignore is actual facts and truth.... See, when Marriott was the owner of the company, and not simply a shareholder, he DID NOT have porn in his rooms. Only when the company went public and he didn't have total sole control did those on the Board of the company, all people he has to deal with, did porn then enter the rooms.

In other words, Marriott had no control over there being porn in their rooms.
But, who cares about truth when you can degrade your hated target, Mormons???

What even more worse about this, is that Porn is NOT openly available in Marriott rooms.
Do these people care who make these judgments that porn in Marriott rooms is as easily accessible as porn is in EVERY HOME IN AMERICA that has Cable, Dish etc.? No, again the truth doesn't matter. Whether in the home, or in a Marriott room a person still has to PAY for it in order to watch it.

People like Bill Marriott are what is wrong with the world. How many years have family groups tried to get his hotel chain to remove the filth he provides? Did he show morals? What about the church? Did they refuse to take his money, knowing that some of that income came from pornography?


Nope, people like you are what is wrong with the world, people who bear false witness of others, who unfairly degrade and lie about others, people who destroy good and right and think you do good and right a service.

Again, "HE" did not provide it, the Cable company's did, and his board did, not him.
Bill Marriot's conscious is clean in that it wasn't he who created evil, thus his tithing is from his heart and intentions. There is no reason the Church needs to condemn that. Further, money is not evil, it's how it's used. Money could come from anywhere, that doesn't mean IT is tainted. Only people are tainted, not objects. It's further untainted if that money is used for good. Thus, your last judgment is a flawed one.

Are you really telling me if you inherited a porn empire that you wouldn't sale it, keep money for yourself and give some to your Church? Marriot is not responsible for Cable TV. But when he was able to do something, or influence his company to do something, they have. But, who cares about truth right.....? as long as it's the Church, let's slander and destroy people.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Only when the company went public and he didn't have total sole control did those on the Board of the company, all people he has to deal with, did porn then enter the rooms.


How many members of the LDS Church do you think are on the board?
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ldsfaqs wrote:Are you really telling me if you inherited a porn empire that you wouldn't sale it, keep money for yourself and give some to your Church?

That's exactly what I'm telling you. Instead of selling it, I would become deeply and intimately involved in all aspects of quality control.
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Melchett wrote:It is. Bill Marriott may be phasing his porn service from his hotels, but it is still in there. Books of Mormon are immediately available in his hotels, but porn has to be phased out. I'm sure that the church had no problem accepting his tithes.


See, here is another perfect example of how evil people use no intellectual skills to make their judgments.
They see the Name of a Company, see the person who started it, and then their brain STOPS. They then judge.


Chairman and CEO of Marriott International. Your question is?

ldsfaqs wrote:What they ignore is actual facts and truth.... See, when Marriott was the owner of the company, and not simply a shareholder, he DID NOT have porn in his rooms. Only when the company went public and he didn't have total sole control did those on the Board of the company, all people he has to deal with, did porn then enter the rooms.


"Please, sir. The big boys made me do it". Balderdash! He's the CEO. The buck stops with him.

ldsfaqs wrote:In other words, Marriott had no control over there being porn in their rooms.
But, who cares about truth when you can degrade your hated target, Mormons???


I have nothing against Mormons. If a couple of missionaries turned up tomorrow, they would be treated with respect and dignity.

ldsfaqs wrote:What even more worse about this, is that Porn is NOT openly available in Marriott rooms.
Do these people care who make these judgments that porn in Marriott rooms is as easily accessible as porn is in EVERY HOME IN AMERICA that has Cable, Dish etc.? No, again the truth doesn't matter. Whether in the home, or in a Marriott room a person still has to PAY for it in order to watch it.


In the Marriott, they pay handsomely.

ldsfaqs wrote:
Melchett wrote:People like Bill Marriott are what is wrong with the world. How many years have family groups tried to get his hotel chain to remove the filth he provides? Did he show morals? What about the church? Did they refuse to take his money, knowing that some of that income came from pornography?


Nope, people like you are what is wrong with the world, people who bear false witness of others, who unfairly degrade and lie about others, people who destroy good and right and think you do good and right a service.


How am I lying? The facts are there, as far as the Marriott Group are concerned. You take an offhand comment to heart? Truth be told, I was not saying anything against you. I took part of your comment and was highlighting it as someone who thinks it is a problem. Pornography does not provide me with any titillation. Your reaction smacks more of guilt than anything.

ldsfaqs wrote:Again, "HE" did not provide it, the Cable company's did, and his board did, not him.
Bill Marriot's conscious is clean in that it wasn't he who created evil, thus his tithing is from his heart and intentions. There is no reason the Church needs to condemn that. Further, money is not evil, it's how it's used. Money could come from anywhere, that doesn't mean IT is tainted. Only people are tainted, not objects. It's further untainted if that money is used for good. Thus, your last judgment is a flawed one.


I may be a little slow on US justice, but isn't someone who provides a person with something to commit a crime, albeit one of religious morality, just as guilty as the person who perpetrated the crime?
You think that money that comes from such an endeavour should be welcome in the church?

ldsfaqs wrote:Are you really telling me if you inherited a porn empire that you wouldn't sale it, keep money for yourself and give some to your Church? Marriot is not responsible for Cable TV. But when he was able to do something, or influence his company to do something, they have. But, who cares about truth right.....? as long as it's the Church, let's slander and destroy people.


Let's see. How long has it taken Bill Marroitt Jr. to do something. Last check, it has been a long time coming.
If I had a porn empire? I wouldn't. I have no reason to commit to film an act between anyone, let alone me and someone I am with.
To answer your question regarding cable tv. Not one company I have been with has coerced me to accept pornography as part of my package. I'm sure it is an option, but I do not want it.

Let's look at Bill. It has been highlighted for many, many years that his selection of in-room entertainment is not family friendly or church friendly. Did the church do anything about it? Nope. Did years of pressure from those who put families first, regardless of beliefs, do something? Yes. Was it immediately removed? No. It's being phased out over a number of years.
Am I slandering the church? I do not think so. Am I slandering an individual? No.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:Are you really telling me if you inherited a porn empire that you wouldn't sale it, keep money for yourself and give some to your Church?

That's exactly what I'm telling you. Instead of selling it, I would become deeply and intimately involved in all aspects of quality control.


Shades. I was offered first dibs at quality control.

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