Then you should have to pay for it yourself. Unfortunately that's how it always should have been. It should have been left up to the family to take care of or not to take care of those who cannot work for whatever reason.
And those without families? I hope you remember this conversation twenty years from now.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Then you should have to pay for it yourself. Unfortunately that's how it always should have been. It should have been left up to the family to take care of or not to take care of those who cannot work for whatever reason.
And those without families? I hope you remember this conversation twenty years from now.
I've hated social security since I was 8 years old and first learned how the system worked. I wished it were abolished then. 20 years from the now the system will no longer exist as we now know it. It won't be blatantly stated as I have, furtively phased out of existence a little at a time. It will become indistiguishable from any other need based welfare program. Nobody can afford to retire on social security alone even now. The retirement age will be so high I'm confident I'll never make it. It's not in my genetics. I will work sick and partially disabled for the remainder of my life as I've always done. Because I know that if I do not, nobody will help me.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote: I will work sick and partially disabled for the remainder of my life as I've always done. Because I know that if I do not, nobody will help me.
That is why we need to care about one another. Buying into an amoral belief system, that the world needs to operate in a dog eat dog fashion, results in some people dying and suffering in an uncaring world. In this case we are talking about the elderly which at some point will include our grandparent, our parent and God willing ourselves.
ajax18 wrote: I will work sick and partially disabled for the remainder of my life as I've always done. Because I know that if I do not, nobody will help me.
That is why we need to care about one another. Buying into an amoral belief system, that the world needs to operate in a dog eat dog fashion, results in some people dying and suffering in an uncaring world. In this case we are talking about the elderly which at some point will include our grandparent, our parent and God willing ourselves.
Moshka do you think if your own family is not able/willing to take care of you, the government is going to be willing/able. It won't be you, you're elderly grandparent, or any of you because you have a job and you work. You'll have a retirement savings plan that will make or break whether you can retire or die in your cubicle. You'll pay, you'll pay out the nose. But you don't even know if that money will be used to help the poor, much less yourself or your family member. The government can take that money and do whatever they want whenever they want. Chances are, your family won't qualify for anything but to be taxed.
If we did have a more tribal socioeconomic system on a family level. I would surely and happily be working until I could truly work no more and more than likely die soon after or die trying to get back to work. That's not just the men in the family who would do this. That includes the women. But that's the tribe I come from and those are our rules. It's easier to love and care for an incapcitated family member, if he is in fact your family member. It's easy to lose sight of the value of money when it came from someone you are not close to at all other than to say you're both U.S. citizens, sometimes not even that.
Not every government program works best on a National and consequently detached level. That's why Romney is saying it should be a state question. I think it should become a tribal/family question.
But even in the government as it is now. We're not talking about the disabled elderly. We're talking about healthy people who were blessed or cursed to be working the last forty years. They're capable of going to work, but does 40 years somehow give them the right to work no longer. I don't think it should.
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And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote: I will work sick and partially disabled for the remainder of my life as I've always done. Because I know that if I do not, nobody will help me.
That is why we need to care about one another. Buying into an amoral belief system, that the world needs to operate in a dog eat dog fashion, results in some people dying and suffering in an uncaring world. In this case we are talking about the elderly which at some point will include our grandparent, our parent and God willing ourselves.
Nicely said, moksha!
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
I am 67. I was pensioned off 10 years ago, during something we called The Big Number Cutting of the Army. My plan was to work till I drop - up to that moment. I thought I can stand before the chalkboard - I was teacher - until 70 or 80 or whatever, and can convey the knowledge I had.
At that time I was Lieutenant Colonel, vice leader of a chair on Military College, and - last but not least - the numero uno expert of the Hungarian Army in the area of military radars. Then, my salary was 1/8 (one eighth...) of an US officer in similar case (according to 2001 Military Pay Scale Chart D5 grade, more than 26 years of service).
As I had many certificates in teaching, I tried to find a workplace in civil schools. There were number cuttings, too. As an expert in some area, I've found a job at a multi, (the Siemens) as programmer. (for near triple salary as in the army...)
Five years later the firm cut back the xDSL development. Who are to kick off first? The retirees, because they have some incoming from other source.
Then, I worked two year at my stepson's small business (they develop IP-phone systems). Fortunately, I knew something about it. Unfortunately, due to our fascist/dictator government, there came some recession (I was courteous).
And here I am, pensioner. The government has nationalized (read the word as stolen) the private pension coffers. My 800$ pension may decrease in the next few months.
Have You need of a gardener or a dog walker? Or of somebody who kills Your uncle? ---------- (c) P.G.Wodehouse: Leave It to Psmith.
Here I am.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
That's a pretty amazing story ludwigm. I wish you all the luck in the world. I'd be proud if the people in my own tribe showed such a fighting, never surrender, spirit.
I wish you all the luck in the world. You seem like a fighter. I know you'll always have a punchers chance even when you're old and hurt. Not every time, but often times I notice that people who can't afford to quit work, end up healthier and living longer than those who finally quit. Is living long a blessing? Not sure, but there is something to the old addage, "If you decide you won't do anything, you soon may be unable to do anything."
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:That's a pretty amazing story ludwigm. I wish you all the luck in the world. I'd be proud if the people in my own tribe showed such a fighting, never surrender, spirit.
I wish you all the luck in the world. You seem like a fighter. I know you'll always have a punchers chance even when you're old and hurt. Not every time, but often times I notice that people who can't afford to quit work, end up healthier and living longer than those who finally quit. Is living long a blessing? Not sure, but there is something to the old addage, "If you decide you won't do anything, you soon may be unable to do anything."
ludwigm,
''... we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender'' *Sir Winston Churchill*
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
''... we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender'' *Sir Winston Churchill*
So you are saying that Ludwigm may have a ten year window left to parachute onto Normandy Beach? Hope the Hungarians have an saying for good luck other than "break a leg".