Romney did well in 1st Presidential Debate

[_palerobber]

anyway, this was likely Romney's best last chance to change the trajectory of the race. if he doesn't have a small lead in the tracking polls and in Florida, OH, VA by the end of the week i'd say he's toast.

a footnote about polls
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157835/ameri ... bates.aspx
"Americans Predict Obama Will Do a Better Job in Debates"
57% to 33% before debate (Obama to Romney) - will do
then the after debate poll
25% to 67% after debate (Obama to Romney) - actually did

wait, isn't that poll result just "speculation" ?

[_palerobber]

by the way, looks like Debate Romney apologized for his "47%" remarks on Hannity last night.

so my question for you fringies -- feel betrayed or do you endorse the pivot to center as necessary to win the votes of some of the moochers?

[_LittleNipper]

by the way, looks like Debate Romney apologized for his "47%" remarks on Hannity last night.

so my question for you fringies -- feel betrayed or do you endorse the pivot to center as necessary to win the votes of some of the moochers?

I believe that calling one's self 'GAY' doesn't make sin acceptable --- an apology and repentance is far better.

[_subgenius]

Obama had his hat handed to him - that is not an opinion, but as close to a fact in politics as it ever gets.

yeah I'm aware that was the general consensus of the "mainstream media". but can you actually back up that opinion with any specifics from the debate itself? what were Romney's top 2or 3 moments which viewers will still remember a week from now and which will sway them over to Romney's side?

Romney's "victory" in that debate was via perception. He was perceived not for individual "points" (which there were) but for being the only person on stage who had authority, control, and confidence. He revealed his actual ability to be President. His "performance" was as memorabe as Obama's, just that his was more preferred for the purpose.
If you really need to go through specifics we can, but it seems rather tedious...but you can decide.

Huh? votes have not been counted yet....Obama's "formidable lead" is speculation...

sorry, but the consensus of scientifically conducted public opinion polls isn't 'speculation', it's evidence. and currently the evidence suggests Romney is losing the E.C., badly. even if he were able to win every state where Obama currently leads in polls by 5 points or less (using RCP composites), he'd still lose the E.C.

well, that is just not accurate...you need to re-visit RCP and a few others.

of course the pressure is on Romney....that is why he is being called the "challenger".

no, the pressure is on him because he's trailing by 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter.

nonsense, if anything Romney is behind by a field goal, he just forced a turnover, is in the red zone, and Obama had to burn his last timeout.

you mean debate Romney versus "news clip" Romney. Nicely veiled concession here, but to the rest of us, it was obvious who won the debate. Rationalize the loss however you like, but it can't be spun into a win like you are trying to do here.

no, i mean Platform Romney -- the guy who proposed voucherizing Medicare to help pay for another round of huge tax cuts for the rich. nothing veiled about my praise for Romney here, he helped himself tremendously by ignoring the advice of the fringe right on how to best make his case Wed., and by pretending not to know Platform Romney (my favorite was the almost hurt quality in his voice when he sincerely denied wanting to give everyone a big tax cut).

that denial was accurate. 5 trillion over 10 years offset by reduced deductions doth a "cut" not make. "Voucherizing" medicare is not a bad idea either, no matter how hard you try to demonize the word.
Again, Obama got schooled in the first debate and guys like you run around trying to make all sorts of excuses for how it really did not happen...yet everyone else knows it did. Now it just reinforces the loss.

we'll see how much of a loss it was for Obama when the next polls come out for Florida, OH, VA.

You mean these? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... elections/
Romney is up by 2 and 3 in Florida
Romeny is up by 1 and down by 1 in OH (even)
Romney up 1 and 3 in VA

yep...we sure did see...now tell us, again, how what we see is not really what we saw.

[_subgenius]

a footnote about polls
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157835/ameri ... bates.aspx
"Americans Predict Obama Will Do a Better Job in Debates"
57% to 33% before debate (Obama to Romney) - will do
then the after debate poll
25% to 67% after debate (Obama to Romney) - actually did

wait, isn't that poll result just "speculation" ?

it most certainly is, is it not?

[_krose]

The overpowering nature of Romney's winning smirk

Didn't you hear Brit Hume? He assured us it wasn't a smirk, but a "half smile."

[_subgenius]

The overpowering nature of Romney's winning smirk

Didn't you hear Brit Hume? He assured us it wasn't a smirk, but a "half smile."

and the other half is?.....

[_moksha]

The overpowering nature of Romney's winning smirk

Didn't you hear Brit Hume? He assured us it wasn't a smirk, but a "half smile."

Sounds like Brit Hume needs to lay off that double mocha-latte decaf. Stick to the oyster bars I always say, at least they know their sand.

Speaking of which, what happened to the Mitt we always see in the press? Have they rewired circuits in the BYU caps to actually boost intelligence and equiped it with platinum wires and gold electrodes specially tailored to match Mitt's bathroom fixtures?

[_Kevin Graham]

that denial was accurate. 5 trillion over 10 years offset by reduced deductions doth a "cut" not make.

His denial was not accurate, and like Romney you've done nothing to explain how his "reduced deductions" is going to offset $4.8 trillion in tax cuts over a ten year period. You seem to be the first guy daring enough to make something of an attempt to spin Romney's lies as legitimate points. Would you care to elaborate further where Romney refuses to do so?

As I explained to Jason, you don't get to cut revenues by $5 trillion and then say that doesn't add to the deficit just because you're going to implement "offsetting" reductions that will forever remained unnamed. Following that logic we could just as easily state that increased spending won't affect the deficit so long as we implement undefined revenue boosting mechanisms.

While you're attempting to justify Romney's lies, why not start with this whammy of a lie, where he says Obama "doubled" the deficit, when it fact it is actually lower than the one he inherited?

I'm sure you believe Obama is just too stupid to know that this isn't true, therefore Romney "won" the debate, but I don't think most folks are that naïve. Most people with any basic knowledge of these issues could have easily refuted Romney, but Obama chose to remain silent in just about everything Romney threw at him. Why? Some of us have our own speculative theories as to why, but only time will really tell.

As it was, Romney managed to spout off something like 40 lies in 50 minutes. There was simply no available time to get into the kind of pissing contest Romney was going for. Obama remained a gentleman, was straight on the facts, didn't push the red herrings and respected the moderator's attempt to maintain order. Romney was just interested in spouting out as many "zingers" and FOX News talking points as he could in one breath at a time, because he is an asshole who isn't interested in what's actually true, nor is he interested in being honest with America.

[_Kevin Graham]

You mean these? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... elections/
Romney is up by 2 and 3 in Florida
Romeny is up by 1 and down by 1 in OH (even)
Romney up 1 and 3 in VA

Yeah, about those poll results you refer to:

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Within the swing states, the only fresh data come from one-day, automated, recorded-voice polls conducted by both Rasmussen and We Ask America (a subsidiary of the Illinois Manufacturers Association) in Florida, Ohio and Virginia. Generally, pollsters prefer to call over several nights in order to make multiple attempts to interview voters who might not be at home or otherwise available on any one night. So these Rasmussen and We Ask America results should be interpreted with caution.

Five of the six one-night polls show single-digit shifts to Romney. The change on the Rasmussen surveys is relatively modest, averaging a roughly two-point gain for Romney on the margin. The We Ask America surveys show much bigger shifts. The more subtle changes are to be expected on the Rasmussen polls, since the pollster weights its samples to match party identification targets.

Another reason for caution: The one-night, automated surveys either miss voters in cell-phone-only households entirely (We Ask America) or rely on a small number of cell-phone-only interviews conducted with a non-random Internet panel (Rasmussen). Roughly one-third of U.S. adults now live in cell-phone-only households.

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