BCspace and Droopy unraveling

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Re: BCspace and Droopy unraveling

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Analytics wrote:Just to review a few of his conservative credentials, David Frum was George W. Bush's speech writer and is credited with coining the term "axis of evil." He's been the editorial-page editor of The Wall Street Journal, the editor of National Review and a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute.

In the video, David Frum says "Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to be a conservative entertainment complex."

Joe Scarborough asks him to name names. Frum replies, "there are too many to name."

He goes on to say, "The followers and the donors and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problem the country is facing. I mean, just a simple question. I went to tea-party rallies and I would ask, 'have taxes gone up or down in the last four years?' They could not answer that question correctly."


I'm guessing the chances that bcspace actually listened to that clip are zero.

I think mainstream republicans are recognizing the frankenstein. The frankenstein is the right-wing media complex that has created a nearly hermetically sealed bubble in which a certain segment of the far-right wing of the republican base resides. This has created a false reality for these people, in which they firmly believe most of the country is as radical as they are on certain topics - abortion, immigration, refusing to raise taxes on the wealthy. If they were to step outside the bubble, they would realize that this isn't actually true, the majority of the country does not agree with these particular ideological stances. But they're in the sealed bubble, in which the only voices they're exposed to are the voices from the right-wing media complex, which tells them what they want to hear without undue concern about facts. It's the ENTERTAINMENT industry they are relying on for factual information. Hence, we see that Fox news viewers actually know LESS about the world than those who don't watch any news, if I recall the study correctly.

I'm not saying that the left does not also have this problem. It does, but not quite to the same extent because the "left-wing media complex" has never taken off like the right-wing one has.

This has become a problem because there is now a portion of the republican base that is adamant about the rightness of these extreme positions to the point where compromise has become a dirty word. One cannot govern without compromise, and now the republicans see one cannot be elected without compromise when the demographics shift. The right refused to compromise on immigration and abortion, and I would suspect those two issues alone cost them mightily in terms of votes.

The frankenstein then grew legs when wealthy donors became engrained and entrapped in the same bubble. These wealthy donors gave Karl Rove millions of dollars, and then listened to republican pollsters and members of the right-wing entertainment complex assure them that Romney was going to win in a LANDSLIDE. And even ROMNEY bought into it. From reports, he was SHOCKED that he lost.

Now the question is, now that their eyes are opening as to the frankenstein, is it too late? Is frankenstein already out of control?

The entertainment value of watching droopy and bcspace unravel aside, I sincerely hope it isn't too late. This country needs a healthy two party system. I am a democrat, but I don't want a one party system. The democratic party would become lazy and privileged, more prone to corruption. That is what happens to any one party system. But right now the republican party isn't healthy, and I think the mainstreamers are recognizing that in a painful way.
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Re: BCspace and Droopy unraveling

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Another mainstream republican recognizes the problem:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83743.html

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich.

In his first interview since his party’s electoral thumping last week, Jindal urged Republicans to both reject anti-intellectualism and embrace a populist-tinged reform approach that he said would mitigate what exit polls show was one of President Barack Obama’s most effective lines of attack against Mitt Romney.

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”
He was just as blunt on how the GOP should speak to voters, criticizing his party for offending and speaking down to much of the electorate.

“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”
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Re: BCspace and Droopy unraveling

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Analytics wrote:Just to review a few of his conservative credentials, David Frum was George W. Bush's speech writer and is credited with coining the term "axis of evil." He's been the editorial-page editor of The Wall Street Journal, the editor of National Review and a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute.

In the video, David Frum says "Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to be a conservative entertainment complex."

Joe Scarborough asks him to name names. Frum replies, "there are too many to name."

He goes on to say, "The followers and the donors and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problem the country is facing. I mean, just a simple question. I went to tea-party rallies and I would ask, 'have taxes gone up or down in the last four years?' They could not answer that question correctly."


Here's another salient quote from that interview:

...Because of that... (they) are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces... What happened to Mitt Romney was he was twisted into pretzels. The people who put cement shoes on his feet are now blaming him for sinking.


And Scarborough joined in:

And he (Romney) would never stand up to the most extreme voices... Conservatives have been lied to... by people engaging in niche marketing and made tens of millions of dollars engaging in niche marketing. And I'm a capitalist. God bless 'em, they can do whatever they want to do. But that's not an electoral strategy. That's a business strategy for them.


http://www.newshounds.us/david_frum_poi ... s_11102012
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Re: BCspace and Droopy unraveling

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beastie wrote:I was going to try and swear off politics for a while since it had gotten so heated lately. But watching bcspace and droopy unravel is just too entertaining. I may have to take droopy completely off ignore as long as my popcorn lasts.

On a serious note, bcspace and droopy are representative of the frankenstein the republican party has created in the last six or so years. It's ugly, and it's after them.


i'm not seeing the unraveling -- seems like the same histrionic alternate-reality copy-pasted "postcards from the fringe" as always.
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Re: BCspace and Droopy unraveling

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palerobber wrote:
beastie wrote:I was going to try and swear off politics for a while since it had gotten so heated lately. But watching bcspace and droopy unravel is just too entertaining. I may have to take droopy completely off ignore as long as my popcorn lasts.

On a serious note, bcspace and droopy are representative of the frankenstein the republican party has created in the last six or so years. It's ugly, and it's after them.


I'm not seeing the unraveling -- seems like the same histrionic alternate-reality copy-pasted "postcards from the fringe" as always.


Well, that's true, they always sound unhinged.
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