The arrogance of richness

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Re: The arrogance of richness

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Droopy wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:I think an ideal government is one that allows for a free market and still cares for those at the bottom of it's social structure.


1. Meaning what?


I'm not sure you need to number your questions if you only have one.

I don't think I can make that statement any clearer. What did you have in mind?
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Re: The arrogance of richness

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Would you not rather have saved your own money than depend on social security?

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ajax18 wrote:One key difference that Russian/Eastern European friends have noted about the communism is that there weren't financial incentives to have more children. In fact it seems that families under the communism remained small. (At least these people formed families) Contrast that with the USA where people who need the most welfare assistance also continue to have the most children. For me the ideal government is fair to those who are forced to pay for and participate in it. There should be financial incentives for women to marry and stay married, not extra welfare if you can mark down single parent status.


Do you have a lot of Russian/Eastern European friends? You do realize that systems have changed in that part of the world. Even at that, I wasn't aware that the old regimes made that sort of distinction.

What percentage of the U.S. budget goes towards single parent welfare?

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Kind of a BS image, don't you think?
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ajax18 wrote:Would you not rather have saved your own money than depend on social security?

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It's full name is Social Security Insurance. It works the same way that your health insurance works (if you have any). Considering the benefits it provides, it's one of the best policies you can have.

You have the option to save your own money in a bank account instead of paying premiums on health insurance. Do you do that?
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You have the option to save your own money in a bank account instead of paying premiums on health insurance. Do you do that?


I don't really have that option the way you put it. If I don't buy health insurance, it's not like the company I work for is just going to pay me the part of the premium they currently pay and allow me to deposit it. Secondly, the government isn't going to allow me to claim money put in a medical savings account on my taxes, yet it allows me to pay my health insurance premium pretax.

Do you think social security should be means tested?
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You - ajax18 and Droopy - seem to misunderstand my words.
I didn't say a word about Soviet Union or desire to control or any ~ism.

But if You dug it out...

In 1990-90 there were a regime changing in Hungary.
The return to a capitalist system and all its accompanying reforms exposed the precarious state of Hungary's state-run economy, which resulted in socioeconomic difficulties for the country during that years. Unemployment jumped from nonexistence to 14 percent. Inflation increased at an annual rate of 23–35 percent (excluding indexing of wages and pensions). Older, retired people, more than one-fifth of the population, suffered the most, and the living standards of more than one-third of the populace declined to below subsistence level. In the meantime, income disparities increased, which irritated the people. Corruption became more widespread and visible than before. Together with the previously omnipotent police force, street security also collapsed in 1990. The crime rate, especially in Budapest, increased threefold in five years.
A big step forward for the society.

As a regular officer / engineer / teacher, my salary was 1/8 of U.S. uniformed services pay grade.
The same before and after the regime changing.
A big step forward for me.

My wife and me are pensioned since 2002.
Ultimately as lieutenant colonel, vice leader of the military college's radar department (O-5 category...) in my life I've taught 800-1000 radar operators, maintainers, engineers.
My wife, math teacher, has taught the same amount of pupils from primary to college level.

Today, our pension is 8000 + 4000 $. (/year...)
Too much to die of hunger, under to live.

I don't care the style of the regime. Communist, fascist, or best-of-the-world-republican-american.

People whose all treasury have in their brain, live on the verge. (There are exceptions; if one knows trade, business, banking - areas don't create real goods - and has inherited or stolen some money ...)



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What I began to say in my first comment

- that cars are to travel from one place to another. Big families may have 4-5-6 cars...
To drive a car doesn't mean ability to push the gas pedal, and hold the track. It means more, for example to keep the rules of traffic. 9 yo child able to do it...

- that sunglasses are to protect our eyes. Making they of 60 grams of 24 carat gold and decorating with 51 full-cut 4 carat River diamonds apparently increases the protection.

- that watches are to show the time.
For example this:
201-carat Chopard ($ 25 million)
These beautiful watches were among the stones of the most expensive. This clock is surrounded by three red (15 carat), blue (12 carat) and silver (11 carat) stone-colored, heart-shaped diamond. White diamonds arranged to form flowers. Have as their central yellow diamond. Have 874 diamonds and weighs 201 carats.


Here would be its picture:
[#img] http://writewhat.com/wp-content/uploads ... hopard.jpg[/img]
If You look at it (please do) ... it doesn't show the time. It shows "wonder, you common simple mortal, I have this because I am rich enough to buy this.
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Re: The arrogance of richness

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- that cars are to travel from one place to another. Big families may have 4-5-6 cars...
To drive a car doesn't mean ability to push the gas pedal, and hold the track. It means more, for example to keep the rules of traffic. 9 yo child able to do it...

- that sunglasses are to protect our eyes. Making they of 60 grams of 24 carat gold and decorating with 51 full-cut 4 carat River diamonds apparently increases the protection.

- that watches are to show the time.


I can't disagree with that. I'm a very simply dressed man myself. How would feel if you were paying welfare, childcare, healthcare, etc. for this man and his many illegitimate children and baby mamas so that he could dress like this?

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ajax18 wrote:
I can't disagree with that. I'm a very simply dressed man myself. How would feel if you were paying welfare, childcare, healthcare, etc. for this man and his many illegitimate children and baby mamas so that he could dress like this?

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Yeah, true justice would see to it that this man's illegitimate children would starve since they have a jerk for a daddy.
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Let's just wait until Ludwigm gets up tomorrow to let him answer. I didn't say that letting the "children" starve was justice. I asked the question because if Ludwigm has such disdain for people wearing jewelry and lavish things, how is he going to fit into the Democratic party's hip hop culture?
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