The Triumph of Trumpcare: 24 m to lose coverage

[_Choyo Chagas]

Or maybe it's Tourette Syndrome...

grabbing their pussy

[Guest]

... One thing for sure if I get cancer, neither you nor any other bleeding heart liberal would pay a dime to help me. ...

There is a world outside the US echo chamber.

For instance, one part of it is just across the border, in Canada. There, as in quite a few other countries, the idea that you (yes you Majax) should be left untreated to die of cancer because you were a poor and (because we are talking about you) not very nice person would be rejected by the huge majority of the population on the grounds that "I don't want to live in a society like that". The idea of you, a fellow human being and a fellow citizen, dying alone and in agony is something that the great majority of people just find unacceptable. What weird people they must be: communists and perverts mostly, no doubt.

Yes, you've got it. There are countries where people accept paying the parts of their taxes that support universal health care just as much as (and often a lot more than) they accept taxes in general, in order to get the services they want, and to live in a society that they see as observing basic decencies. Oh, and in general they get cheaper health care overall than does the US.

[_Chap]

And now back to the OP.

Before the election, neither the Republicans in congress nor the Trump team bothered to make any kind of specific plan for a replacement for the Affordable Care Act, which was, we may recall, a measure they had repeatedly promised to repeal. They just promised that everything would be much better for everyone when the ACA was gone.

Now Trump is in office. It seems that moving from tweeting to drafting legislation was a bit of a shock for him -"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated!". Aaaah. Poor little diddums ... did the naughty people make him pwesident, then? But he assured us, it would be a wonderful plan that everybody would love when they saw it ...

So now we have a draft of Trumpcare. And the CBO and JCT tell us that "... enacting [Trumpcare] would ... increase the number of people who are uninsured by 24 million in 2026 relative to current law."

Questions:

1. Since a large number of the people who lose coverage will be Trump voters, what will, in the medium term, be the electoral effect of this move?

2. Given the likely answers to (1), how likely is it that Trumpcare will ever get through congress? And if it does not, then what? Does the Affordable Care Act stay in place, then?

[_The CCC]

1. The Repubs are likely to stay in office, because you know Obama.

2. Don't underestimate the Repubs.

[_Chap]

2. Don't underestimate the Repubs.

Could you be a little more specific?

I certainly don't underestimate their ability to act like a bunch of people with no interest in anything other than getting and retaining power at any cost. What is it that you think they are likely to do, however?

[_The CCC]

2. Don't underestimate the Repubs.

Could you be a little more specific?

I certainly don't underestimate their ability to act like a bunch of people with no interest in anything other than getting and retaining power at any cost. What is it that you think they are likely to do, however?

What I think is likely to happen is that they'll pass Trumpcare, blame it on the Democrats, and pray to their God that their voters are as stupid as they think they are. IE; It took about two weeks for their voters to go from the children of Fredrick Douglass to Fredrick Douglass who?

[_subgenius]

So "uninsured" being inclusive of those who would choose not to be insured.....more boogey-man under the bed talk from those who don't know better.
That coupled with the charge that "Trump voters" will find themselves without insurance is a blatant and uninformed fear mongering blather. The OP attempts to characterize the new legislation as some sort of hospital eviction of sick children. It is most likely that Trump voters won't "find" but rather they will "choose". It's the Liberals and Pelosi faithful that will "find themselves" in the once again awkward position of having to work for what they want.

[_subgenius]

I suppose the OP intends that "lose coverage" is the same as "chooses not to have" coverage?....yep.....yeah....yep

[_Chap]

Now that subgenius has turned up, I am sure he will clear up the mystery referred to on the other thread - i.e. where in the New Testament did he find, amongst the many clear statements he mentions as having been made by Jesus on political matters, a reference to a "soldier at your door"?

No doubt he will withdraw that claim if he finds he has made a mistake?

But on other matters.

So "uninsured" being inclusive of those who would choose not to be insured.

Yes indeed. And as the Budget Office report stated, that will in many cases be because they can't afford the increased costs. It's just like people on the streets chose not to pay rent, and the hungry chose not to buy food.

That coupled with the charge that "Trump voters" will find themselves without insurance is a blatant and uninformed fear mongering blather.

There are a lot of people who first got health insurance they could afford under the Affordable Care Act, and will not be able to afford it under Trumpcare. And, bizarrely, they come from the kind of relatively poor and relatively uneducated groups who seem to have voted for Trump. So yup, that's the way it is likely to be.

The OP attempts to characterize the new legislation as some sort of hospital eviction of sick children.

Nope. That's your imagination at work.

It is most likely that Trump voters won't "find" but rather they will "choose".

See above. It's not much of a choice to choose not to pay for health coverage you can no longer afford.

[_Maxine Waters]

Yes. I think you should get licensed to have children since we pretty much have to have a license to do anything else. I also think if you're going on welfare you should be on birth control or sterilized. This is where I, admittedly, drift from Liberalism and find myself in some sort of weird fascist or hard socialist grey area. This stems from my ideology that pragmatism should outweigh the feelz.

I've expressed similar feelings within my own party and have been told do you want to live in China or the USSR? I find it interesting that people often chose not to have large families in those countries. The incentives were clearly different from American style socialism.

I don't care. I'm going to work. As long as I can sit up straight and spin dials, sign spec Rxs, and eyedrop Rxs, I'll continue to work 6 or even 7 days/week and see that my children are well taken care of. If I die, they'll still get my $401k and life insurance money. If I become disabled, I'll have private disability insurance benefits that I now choose to pay.

EAllusion can wish for my death all he wants. If social welfare ended tomorrow, I'd be fine and so would every other self reliant person in this world.