AmyJo wrote: That makes no sense at all. This is recent history.
The effort made and what was uncovered correlates to actual events. It provides a plausible answer as to what really happened to Earhart that we weren't told in 70 years.
That the government would cover it up is not a stretch of truth. It was wartime. If she was captured by the Japanese it makes perfect sense they would accuse her and Noonan of spying on them and taking them hostage.
You have to watch the documentary like the rest of us who are planning on it this Sunday on the History channel.
There are eye witnesses who have testified they saw Amelia as a prisoner of war in Saipan. The photo itself is proof of her and Noonan being in the company of the Japanese on board a ship, with her plane in the background. That picture was unearthed in the National Archives. Not a fictional account by any stretch of the imagination.
You sound like you need clear and convincing proof. I'm satisfied with what the investigators have learned. For people who question everything there isn't enough proof to convince you of what is right in front of you if you choose not to see it.
It doesn't take money to uncover what the investigators have already learned. It took effort. Getting it out to the public may have cost something, but it is funded by programs like the History Channel, and possibly a national endowment that helped offset the efforts of the retired investigators who made the documentary.
It doesn't make sense to accept without question something you saw on a television show.
Plausible is not necessary factual.
We weren't at war with Japan when she crashed. So it makes little to no sense to posit that she was a prisoner of war.
I may watch. But I prefer to have more evidence than blurry pictures and 80 year old testimony as a basis of fact.
Yes. I want absolute proof for highly sensational claims. You should too.
Any research takes money. Just getting to places takes money. The History Channel makes money off of its productions. I really don't care if it is private or public monies. It is money. Fact.
A great deal of research goes into producing a documentary. The investigators are professional and did what they did out of their own curiosity.
Whatever money it took to undertake this investigation has already been invested by those interested in Amelia Earhart's story.
It isn't rocket science.
You're all focused on money instead of the facts of what happened to Earhart.
Missed opportunity on your part to become educated.
Documentaries are educational. That is their purpose.
Sheesh. Either watch the documentary or don't watch it. I really don't care what you do.
When Earhart's plane went down the Japanese were allied with Germany. Just because the US had not yet entered the war doesn't mean that they wouldn't be suspect of a plane going down in their territory, and take hostage the pilots from a non-allied country they suspected of being spies.
AmyJo wrote:When Earhart's plane went down the Japanese were allied with Germany. Just because the US had not yet entered the war doesn't mean that they wouldn't be suspect of a plane going down in their territory, and take hostage the pilots from a non-allied country they suspected of being spies.
What is this thing you are calling 'the war'? What war?
You appear to be projecting US involvement in conflict with Japan back years before anybody seriously thought that it might happen (remember that even right up to the time of Pearl Harbor in late 1941 many in both countries hoped conflict could be avoided). In 1937 Japan's worry was the Soviet Union - which is why it had signed the Anti-Comintern Pact with Germany in late 1935. By 1940, when the Tripartite Pact was signed between Germany, Japan and Italy, the situation in the Pacific had changed radically due to US economic pressure on Japan to wind down the war in China. In summer 1937 it was in Japan's interests to keep good relations with the US. Seizing two US citizens and keeping them in secret confinement would have been an obviously counter-productive act.
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AmyJo wrote:When Earhart's plane went down the Japanese were allied with Germany. Just because the US had not yet entered the war doesn't mean that they wouldn't be suspect of a plane going down in their territory, and take hostage the pilots from a non-allied country they suspected of being spies.
What is this thing you are calling 'the war'? What war?
You appear to be projecting US involvement in conflict with Japan back years before anybody seriously thought that it might happen (remember that even right up to the time of Pearl Harbor in late 1941 many in both countries hoped conflict could be avoided). In 1937 Japan's worry was the Soviet Union - which is why it had signed the Anti-Comintern Pact with Germany in late 1935. By 1940, when the Tripartite Pact was signed between Germany, Japan and Italy, the situation in the Pacific had changed radically due to US economic pressure on Japan to wind down the war in China. In summer 1937 it was in Japan's interests to keep good relations with the US. Seizing two US citizens and keeping them in secret confinement would have been an obviously counter-productive act.
You weren't there. Amelia Earhart was. Stop projecting your mistaken impressions of what you think should have happened - you could learn something if you tried.
The conflict had been going on for years before Japan signed any pacts with Germany. It allied with Germany right up to the end. Once it learned the Nazis were going to exterminate the Japanese like it tried to the Jews is when Japan opened its borders to Jewish refugees seeking asylum. It housed upwards of 60,000 Jewish refugees in Kobe who were able to escape Hitler's regime.
Considering the cruelty Japan used on its prisoners during WWII it isn't surprising at all if they suspected Earheart and Noonan of being allied spies.
The US was in on their secret, but protected their source at the time so their spy wouldn't be outed to the Japanese. That would be the one who took the photo that was on file @ the National Archives.
Even before the US entered the war intelligence gathering was ongoing just like it always has been in geo-political conflicts. The US had a strategic interest in doing so same as the other countries even if it hadn't entered the war yet. Which explains why a spy for the US was stationed where he was to gather intelligence.
I am happy for any person who visits this board to read my posts and those of Amyjo, and to decide which one of us in thinking more clearly on the points at issue.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
When I look at the photo I think that the person suspected to be Earhart could easily be an Asian man. I think the hair looks too dark for it to be Earhart. Even in B&W photos, hair color is distinguishable. I do still find it intriguing and plan to watch the show on Sunday.
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Chap wrote:I am happy for any person who visits this board to read my posts and those of Amyjo, and to decide which one of us in thinking more clearly on the points at issue.
You're breaking the fourth wall here. Just mentioning.
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AmyJo wrote:Once it learned the Nazis were going to exterminate the Japanese like it tried to the Jews is when Japan opened its borders to Jewish refugees seeking asylum. It housed upwards of 60,000 Jewish refugees in Kobe who were able to escape Hitler's regime.
Will you please supply me with a link to that information?
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Jersey Girl wrote:When I look at the photo I think that the person suspected to be Earhart could easily be an Asian man. I think the hair looks too dark for it to be Earhart. Even in B&W photos, hair color is distinguishable. I do still find it intriguing and plan to watch the show on Sunday.
I concur with the FBI and Treasury investigators when I look at the picture. It looks like her body shape with her back to the camera in a sitting position. It's a woman's figure to me, and compared to her body build, a tall slender woman with a feminine haircut.
In comparison to the Japanese she and Noonan were taller and larger built. People who were there witnessed it was her and him. One of the last living witnesses will be interviewed for the documentary airing this weekend.
I find it riveting. Why it took so long to get this information to the public who knows? If not for the two investigators on a "mission" we might not still know what happened.
It may help to bring closure to the lives of Earhart and Noonan that is long overdue.
AmyJo wrote:Once it learned the Nazis were going to exterminate the Japanese like it tried to the Jews is when Japan opened its borders to Jewish refugees seeking asylum. It housed upwards of 60,000 Jewish refugees in Kobe who were able to escape Hitler's regime.
Will you please supply me with a link to that information?
I attended a speech by the rabbi to the Far East who was the first to document it, Marvin Tokayer. His book, "The Fugu Plan," first published in 1979 w/subsequent publications is how the information became known to the rest of the world outside Japan.