Massive School Walkout Across Florida and Elsewhere

[_Kishkumen]

Or it would provide teachers with a method to bring an end to the killing much faster.

How many gun fights have you been in Shades?

[_Kishkumen]

If I were a teacher I would refuse to be armed. The probability I would ever be in a situation where I could put down a planned attack with an AR-15 and Kevlar with a small side piece is about zero, and the probability that students would accuse me of threatening them with a gun for playing with their cell phone or being late for class is about 1.

Indeed. How about that nut job student who decides to swipe your gun and use it on you, his fellow students, or himself? It is a recipe for disaster.

[_subgenius]

I sure hope this younger generation can effectuate change. In 2015 over 132,000 Americans were shot:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/wi ... ar_figures

with over 36,000 fatalities.

HOW IS THIS ONGOING WAR AGAINST OURSELVES IS ACCEPTABLE?

- Doc

Compare to the "In 2015 there were over 300,000 abortions"...all of those were fatal.

and for what it is worth, your post's gun "stats" also include accidental shootings, suicides, AND AIR GUNS, etc .....not really an accurate or honest post to proclaim that as a "war against ourselves" (especially when one follows the reference provided at the link your post provided).

But for what it is worth, the younger generation is way out of its depth (as usual)....and from what I can tell, most of these incidents are occurring among and because of the younger generation, so perhaps the village should step aside for a parent.

[_subgenius]

Indeed. How about that nut job student who decides to swipe your gun and use it on you, his fellow students, or himself? It is a recipe for disaster.

Ok, let us ignore the fact that your post argues the exception and not the rule. There are several ways to prevent a gun being used by a kid that simply "swipes" it - ever heard of smart guns? heck, the magna-trigger has been around since 1975 and is used heavily among prison guards etc....but likely this is new information for you, yes?

[_Kishkumen]

Ok, let us ignore the fact that your post argues the exception and not the rule. There are several ways to prevent a gun being used by a kid that simply "swipes" it - ever heard of smart guns? heck, the magna-trigger has been around since 1975 and is used heavily among prison guards etc....but likely this is new information for you, yes?

No, it is not. And who is going to pay for this smart gun, when we can't even get people to pay for regular school supplies, sub?

Face it, this is a stupid idea.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I sure hope this younger generation can effectuate change. In 2015 over 132,000 Americans were shot:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/wi ... ar_figures

with over 36,000 fatalities.

HOW IS THIS ONGOING WAR AGAINST OURSELVES IS ACCEPTABLE?

- Doc

Compare to the "In 2015 there were over 300,000 abortions"...all of those were fatal.

and for what it is worth, your post's gun "stats" also include accidental shootings, suicides, AND AIR GUNS, etc .....not really an accurate or honest post to proclaim that as a "war against ourselves" (especially when one follows the reference provided at the link your post provided).

But for what it is worth, the younger generation is way out of its depth (as usual)....and from what I can tell, most of these incidents are occurring among and because of the younger generation, so perhaps the village should step aside for a parent.

You ever been shot with a pellet gun? Regardless, if you want to introduce abortions as a topic then do it. If Conservatives gave a crap about babies you'd have a point.

I guess you're cool with 30k gun deaths and the related lifetime costs associated with this 100% solvable issue.

- Doc

[_Always Changing]

I know this is hyperbole, but there are plenty of people who work at schools who are on the edge at one point or another in their career. There is a ton of evidence that one of the factors that determines if a person uses a gun against themselves or others is if a gun is readily available. I would bet my house that widespread adoption of concealed weapons among teachers and other school officials that are expected to respond to violent situations would create more deaths than it would prevent in the form of spree killings.

Meanwhile, arming teachers, cafeteria workers, and janitors increases the odds that one of them uses their weapon when they've snapped or have their gun taken from them to start a violent incident. It also increases the odds that some will use their guns to intimidate others thus creating a more threatening environment for students to be in.

It's just about the worst possible idea imaginable, and it is not a coincidence that it is the one response that allows gun manufacturers to respond by selling more guns.

This. In some buildings, the tensions among various educators and support personnel can get to the breaking point. A very bad idea. Educators do sometimes bully other educators.

[_Maxine Waters]

Indeed. How about that nut job student who decides to swipe your gun and use it on you, his fellow students, or himself? It is a recipe for disaster.

Most teachers I met refused to intervene in fist fights. They just wouldn't go into the hall in between classes. The probability of stopping the fight without being blamed for how you did it in some way was 1 as well. And what do you get if you skillfully diffuse the situation and stop the fight? Better to pretend like you never saw it. Nobody is going to blame the students because they have a right to a free education and ultimately can't really be expelled anymore. This is a problem of policy and only one reason why teaching sucks so bad as a profession.

I would say to arm police officers and put them in schools the same way we do for congress, the president, or a bank, but I know most liberals on this board believe police officers shouldn't be armed either.

[_EAllusion]

According to the US department of Education, in the 2011-2012 school year - the most recent year that data is up to date - 130,000 students were expelled.

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/sch ... /data.html

[_Xenophon]

I sure hope this younger generation can effectuate change. In 2015 over 132,000 Americans were shot:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/wi ... ar_figures

with over 36,000 fatalities.

HOW IS THIS ONGOING WAR AGAINST OURSELVES IS ACCEPTABLE?

Although it may not be fast enough for many, this is something that I bet will come with time. Gun ownership for younger generations is considerably less than older ones and you would expect that will lead to changing attitudes in how the law should work. This even includes looking at comparative rates of ownership between Xer's & Millenials vs Boomers at the same age. As has been noted many times the upcoming generations are significantly more liberal and you will expect that to have some serious impact over the long term. There are also some indicators that as America continues to diversify that this will impact ownership as minorities are both less likely to own a gun and are also more likely to believe that guns have a negative impact on their local communities. Some further reading if you so desire.



In the mean time, I'm not particularly optimistic that anything worthwhile will take hold but I'd love to be wrong.