The war against individual freedoms

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Some Schmo wrote:Isn't this the crux of the issue? Who thinks the handgun in the bedside table (or even their AR-15) is going to save them from the US military? Don't we have the best spangled military in the world?

ETA: And it would surprise me if a great percentage of the most avid gun proponents are also people who think we need to spend more money to improve our military.


No doubt. They never question raising the military’s budget, the same military that offloads its old weaponry and armor on local law enforcement, thus contributing to our police state.
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How many billions of dollars do we spend a year defending ourselves against external terrorism? A threat that kills how many Americans a year?10? maybe a 100?

And yet how many thousands of Americans die each year right in our own country from guns?

God, we are morons.
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Fence Sitter wrote:How many billions of dollars do we spend a year defending ourselves against external terrorism? A threat that kills how many Americans a year?10? maybe a 100?

And yet how many thousands of Americans die each year right in our own country from guns?

God, we are morons.

your post's argument sure makes your point.
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Kishkumen wrote:
No doubt. They never question raising the military’s budget, the same military that offloads its old weaponry and armor on local law enforcement, thus contributing to our police state.



Police state by definition

"a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities."

How do the police control your life?

I doubt if an average person can go buy a AR-15 in a police state Kish.

But anyway...please explain and give me some examples of how we are a police state.

If guns were banned, except for law enforcement, would we be less a police state, or more of a police state?
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Markk wrote:How do the police control your life?


Markk, Kish isn't saying the police control his life. He's pointing out the NRA crowd's reasoning is inconsistent.
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I like, Markk. He's a decent bloke with a good heart. He and I don't communicate very well, but I won't hold that against him.
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Glad wrote...
Markk, Kish isn't saying the police control his life. He's pointing out the NRA crowd's reasoning is inconsistent.


He said... "the same military that offloads its old weaponry and armor on local law enforcement, thus contributing to our police state."

Police state by definition is a state where police basically control our lives. Which raised the question, which I believe is fair. Another question, and maybe more pertinent to gun control..."would banning guns contribute to this so-called police state just as law enforcement receiving surplus inventory?"

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Markk wrote:He said... "the same military that offloads its old weaponry and armor on local law enforcement, thus contributing to our police state."


While your definition of police state may be accurate you may want to consider trying to understand what he is trying to say then argue over a definition.

Another question, and maybe more pertinent to gun control..."would banning guns contribute to this so-called police state just as law enforcement receiving surplus inventory?"


No, a police state is more about the government then about law enforcement and military. Banning guns does not mean police state, and modern armies have far better weapons and Armour against the kind of guns people can buy.
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Markk wrote:But anyway...please explain and give me some examples of how we are a police state.


Segments of society are militarized with flak jackets and AR-15s. Our running war is a constant that we all accept. Private militias train themselves against a confrontation with their own government. Metal detectors are at the entrances of all federal and many local government buildings. Even relatively small police forces have SWAT teams and armored vehicles. Our backpacks are screened, and we’re patted down before we fly. Now we're talking about arming teachers and fortifying our schools against fellow citizens who wish to randomly shoot our children. I wouldn’t fault anyone for hinting that we’re adopting elements of a police state.
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Markk wrote:He said... "the same military that offloads its old weaponry and armor on local law enforcement, thus contributing to our police state."

Police state by definition is a state where police basically control our lives. Which raised the question, which I believe is fair. Another question, and maybe more pertinent to gun control..."would banning guns contribute to this so-called police state just as law enforcement receiving surplus inventory?"

One does not contribute to something if there is nothing there, unless you are Seinfeld.


Dude, I did not intend to say that we live in a police state. OK? I should have been more precise, since we are in one of those conversations where people are going to look for any bit to jump all over.

Let me edit my statement to this:

". . . thus contributing to our emerging police state."

OK?
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