Homless Video

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Like I said...I don't believe that for a minute. You only tried to explain yourself after you looked ignorant.

It's quite obvious from context. Have you considered the possibility that maybe reading and understanding things isn't your strongsuit?

Aaaaand there it is.

- Doc

[Guest]

Like I said...I don't believe that for a minute. You only tried to explain yourself after you looked ignorant.

It's quite obvious from context. Have you considered the possibility that maybe reading and understanding things isn't your strongsuit?

Maybe, but I do know when I step in in dog poop, which is often here, that it stinks.

Your theories remind me of Hitler directing his armies that did not exist in his last days...totally out of touch with reality. I know...you will go on line and find a study that Hitler did actually have armies.

LA has every program you suggest and more...store front after store front on skid row is there to help people...but it has has grown 75% in a few years.

That is just a fact.

My next video might be the store fronts I speak of.

[_ajax18]

I guess at least the guy maturbating wasn't copulating and adding to the surplus population.

This reminds me somewhat of walking down Bourbon street in NOLA. In my mind it became clear that the Spanish once owned that territory. It looks like California is the same way. The time where you cross the border between Mexico and the US and can't really tell the difference is getting closer. DJT did push it back a bit, but it's still inevitable.

[_EAllusion]

Like I said...I don't believe that for a minute. You only tried to explain yourself after you looked ignorant.

Here's the full exchange.

It starts with you attempting to argue that the immigrant labor pool is terrible and is ruining your field of work:

Also, it is a myth that immigrants are all skilled and hard working...that is a joke. I help manage a company full of immigrants and huge percentage are lazy, unreliable, and most are not skilled at all beyond general labor. I hav eto tell them to put their phones down all the time. Some are very hard workers and some are very skilled...but most milk the system and the turnover rate is probably 25% or more after 3 or 4 months. I can't begin to tell you how far off you are on this, not even in the ball park.

I reply with my first question that is clearly meant to lead to a point:

Why do you keep hiring bad workers?

....

So, again, why are you hiring bad workers? For all the headaches you describe, are they not getting the job done at a competitive price?

Notice that I've already got my final point asked in a rhetorical question in my very first reply. "Are they not getting the job done at a competitive price?"
But you, not quite grasping what I am getting at, reply with:

That is real easy to answer...because there is no way to know otherwise...do you think these illegal immigrants carry resumes and references?

Me, understanding that you are getting the workforce you need to get the job done at a competitive price, ask:

Why are you hiring people without resumes and references?

Apparently not quite getting it, and thinking I'm genuinely baffled as to why you don't check for references of illegal immigrants, reply with:

Are you kidding, because people who have resumes and references want more money. What do we do call Guatemala to check where they used to work?This again shows how you have no clue what is happening, and why you need to make a trip down here. These are people that go to Huntington Park, MacArthur Park or other places alike, to buy their ID's. Do you need a new SS card, I can get you one, last time I asked they were going for about 75 dollars. I once hired two brothers that had SS cards with the same numbers...true story.

So, I give the natural follow-up:

Then why not pay them more money?

Do I think you can pay them more money and remain competitive against people whose labor costs are cheaper? Clearly not. You aren't paying more competitive wages to attract a higher quality labor pool because you'll be priced out of the market and your current labor pool is effective to the task. But at that point you go silent. Based on your comments here, apparently you think I'm a fool who just doesn't get it. So, not long after, I explain my point:

I've been stringing Markk along on this point, but what I'm getting at is that the terrible immigrant labor his business is hiring is actually getting the job done to the satisfaction of people his business is selling to. He is making the argument for you that immigrant labor is driving down costs in his field, which is no doubt helpful to consumers of his products. No doubt he has headaches with his labor pool, but they are meeting demand which is why he continues to participate in the hiring of them.

If your labor pool was so terrible, you'd change your hiring practices. But it's not so terrible that it doesn't get the job done. It does. It's just annoying. So the cycle continues. This point is implied in my very first post.

Now here you've assumed I'm lying about the intent of my comments because I'm caught in extreme, implausible ignorance. That's just a loopy version of this exchange.

[_EAllusion]

Your theories remind me of Hitler directing his armies that did not exist in his last days...totally out of touch with reality. I know...you will go on line and find a study that Hitler did actually have armies.

Yes, insisting the thing I do for a living exists is just like being Adolf Hitler in denial. Great metaphor.

I don't even know what the equivalent of this would be fore you. Someone repeatedly insisting that it's not possible to wire a house for electricity without the help of tiny creatures such as gnomes or sprites, because the wires are go unseen through walls and floors?

[_Markk]

Like I said...I don't believe that for a minute. You only tried to explain yourself after you looked ignorant.

Here's the full exchange.

It starts with you attempting to argue that the immigrant labor pool is terrible and is ruining your field of work:

Also, it is a myth that immigrants are all skilled and hard working...that is a joke. I help manage a company full of immigrants and huge percentage are lazy, unreliable, and most are not skilled at all beyond general labor. I hav eto tell them to put their phones down all the time. Some are very hard workers and some are very skilled...but most milk the system and the turnover rate is probably 25% or more after 3 or 4 months. I can't begin to tell you how far off you are on this, not even in the ball park.

I reply with my first question that is clearly meant to lead to a point:

Why do you keep hiring bad workers?

....

So, again, why are you hiring bad workers? For all the headaches you describe, are they not getting the job done at a competitive price?

Notice that I've already got my final point asked in a rhetorical question in my very first reply. "Are they not getting the job done at a competitive price?"

But you, not quite grasping what I am getting at, reply with:

That is real easy to answer...because there is no way to know otherwise...do you think these illegal immigrants carry resumes and references?

Me, understanding that you are getting the workforce you need to get the job done at a competitive price, ask:

Why are you hiring people without resumes and references?

Apparently not quite getting it, and thinking I'm genuinely baffled as to why you don't check for references of illegal immigrants, reply with:

Are you kidding, because people who have resumes and references want more money. What do we do call Guatemala to check where they used to work?This again shows how you have no clue what is happening, and why you need to make a trip down here. These are people that go to Huntington Park, MacArthur Park or other places alike, to buy their ID's. Do you need a new SS card, I can get you one, last time I asked they were going for about 75 dollars. I once hired two brothers that had SS cards with the same numbers...true story.

So, I give the natural follow-up:

Then why not pay them more money?

Do I think you can pay them more money and remain competitive against people whose labor costs are cheaper? Clearly not. You aren't paying more competitive wages to attract a higher quality labor pool because you'll be priced out of the market and your current labor pool is effective to the task. But at that point you go silent. Based on your comments here, apparently you think I'm a fool who just doesn't get it. So, not long after, I explain my point:

I've been stringing Markk along on this point, but what I'm getting at is that the terrible immigrant labor his business is hiring is actually getting the job done to the satisfaction of people his business is selling to. He is making the argument for you that immigrant labor is driving down costs in his field, which is no doubt helpful to consumers of his products. No doubt he has headaches with his labor pool, but they are meeting demand which is why he continues to participate in the hiring of them.

If your labor pool was so terrible, you'd change your hiring practices. But it's not so terrible that it doesn't get the job done. It does. It's just annoying. So the cycle continues. This point is implied in my very first post.

Now here you've assumed I'm lying about the intent of my comments because I'm caught in extreme, implausible ignorance. That's just a loopy version of this exchange.

Like I said, I don't believe you for a minute...and it even makes less sense now. And you trying to prove otherwise just makes the hole deeper..

[_Markk]

Your theories remind me of Hitler directing his armies that did not exist in his last days...totally out of touch with reality. I know...you will go on line and find a study that Hitler did actually have armies.

Yes, insisting the thing I do for a living exists is just like being Adolf Hitler in denial. Great metaphor.

I don't even know what the equivalent of this would be fore you. Someone repeatedly insisting that it's not possible to wire a house for electricity without the help of tiny creatures such as gnomes or sprites, because the wires are go unseen through walls and floors?

That makes no sense at all, and is dumb. Your stating there are programs that will solve the problems, and then state what they are; when in fact they exist here, and even why they exist, homelessness has grown 75% or more in the last few years. This means they don't work here.

It is funny how you deny my life experiences as being a valid argument, then try to push your life experience as valid?

[_EAllusion]

That makes no sense at all, and is dumb. Your stating there are programs that will solve the problems, and then state what they are; when in fact they exist here, and even why they exist, homelessness has grown 75% or more in the last few years. This means they don't work here.

According to articles you linked in support of yourself, the LA area is failing at providing the type of programming you say is amply available. It cites a variety of examples of poor practice that runs exactly counter to the best practice options shared with you.

It is funny how you deny my life experiences as being a valid argument, then try to push your life experience as valid?

If you cited your life experience in response to someone denying that houses can be built with wood, this would be a more comparable example, but note that what I'm attacking is your hypocrisy on this point.

[_ajax18]

That makes no sense at all, and is dumb. Your stating there are programs that will solve the problems, and then state what they are; when in fact they exist here, and even why they exist, homelessness has grown 75% or more in the last few years. This means they don't work here.

It is interesting how social welfare seems to attract and create more poverty rather than to ameliorate it. California has been a laboratory of liberalism for half a century. And we're seeing the results.

[_Markk]

That makes no sense at all, and is dumb. Your stating there are programs that will solve the problems, and then state what they are; when in fact they exist here, and even why they exist, homelessness has grown 75% or more in the last few years. This means they don't work here.

According to articles you linked in support of yourself, the LA area is failing at providing the type of programming you say is amply available. It cites a variety of examples of poor practice that runs exactly counter to the best practice options shared with you.

It is funny how you deny my life experiences as being a valid argument, then try to push your life experience as valid?

If you cited your life experience in response to someone denying that houses can be built with wood, this would be a more comparable example, but note that what I'm attacking is your hypocrisy on this point.

You are not attacking me, you are digging the hole you are in, deeper.

Where am I being a hypocrite?