President Trump "salutes" N. Korean military

[_cinepro]

That video clip might be my new favorite scene from this season of "America." I appreciate the writers putting it in, but I think Chaplain still did it better though.

My first thought was "Is Trump doing that bit from The Great Dictator?" Unbelievable.

[_Chap]

This may lead to Peace in the East (Asia)

If by that you mean a DPRK without nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future, that is more unlikely than ever before now that Kim has seen that with nuclear weapons he is treated with almost fawning respect by the President of the United States, and that the said President also cancels the joint ROK/US exercises he has complained about for so long. What's not to like? His regime is a lot safer with the nukes than it ever was without them.

[_Hawkeye]

This is an OMG moment for you?

He didn't give a salute, he returned a salute. It's a courtesy upon greeting akin to civilians shaking hands. He's totally within boundaries to return a salute of an officer of a friendly nation and under the circumstances, his returning the salute was totally appropriate.

Honestly, what would you have had him do, Hawkeye? Flip the officer off?

Try to calm down and find a more important fish to fry.

Calm down? Everyone else seems to get why this is important except you and the Trumpers. Your response is ridiculous. Yeah, he has to return a salute or flip him off huh? I grew up military. The salute in a military context denotes a respect and honor for what the person you're saluting represents and does. It isn't a casual wave of the hand like saying "Hey how ya doin?" Presidents never did this regularly until Ronald Reagan made a habit of it. Otherwise it was just understood the President didn't have to salute. There was no need for our President to salute anyone in the North Korean Military. None. There is no telling how many children that officer fed to the dogs because he was just obeying orders. And our commander in-chief just saluted him as if he were some honorable person. But don't take my word for it, just listen to the Trump man himself recreate reality by claiming Un is a great leader who deserves respect and says his people love him!

[_Jersey Girl]

I wasn't going to point out how illogical you are acting but if you insist...

Calm down? Everyone else seems to get why this is important except you and the Trumpers. Your response is ridiculous. Yeah, he has to return a salute or flip him off huh?

Yes, return the salute. Keep that in mind as we continue on here.

I grew up military.

Oh yes. We all know how you were a military brat and I raised two. Who gives a damn?

The salute in a military context denotes a respect and honor for what the person you're saluting represents and does.

Oh look. There's my open door. The courtesy of a salute was first EXTENDED TO our President, he simply returned it.

It isn't a casual wave of the hand like saying "Hey how ya doin?" Presidents never did this regularly until Ronald Reagan made a habit of it. Otherwise it was just understood the President didn't have to salute. There was no need for our President to salute anyone in the North Korean Military. None. There is no telling how many children that officer fed to the dogs because he was just obeying orders. And our commander in-chief just saluted him as if he were some honorable person. But don't take my word for it, just listen to the Trump man himself recreate reality by claiming Un is a great leader who deserves respect and says his people love him!

One more time. He didn't salute him as if he were "some honorable person" he returned the salute that was extended to HIM.

Read that over and over again until you get it, buddy.

[_Jersey Girl]

B.F.D.

Indeed.

[_Jersey Girl]

I find blow up over this faux pas a little overdone. Just like Obama's 'bow'. Neither gesture was protocol, but I think both gestures could be sort of autonomic polite responses. I think it is the cumulative effect of all of the other gestures of respect the summit entails that brings additional significance to it.

Yep.

[_EAllusion]

Yes, return the salute. Keep that in mind as we continue on here.

Turns out he was briefed specifically not to do that, but in fairness, you weren't on board to explain that it is either do that or do something as insulting as flipping him off.

This obviously isn't a big deal, though the propaganda coup for N. Korea isn't positive, and right-wing hypocrisy is endlessly annoying, but it also isn't some shrewd move. I guess some people are so reflexively contrarian that Trump falling face first into a toilet becomes an act of 4th dimensional diplomacy.

[_EAllusion]

I find blow up over this faux pas a little overdone. Just like Obama's 'bow'. Neither gesture was protocol, but I think both gestures could be sort of autonomic polite responses. I think it is the cumulative effect of all of the other gestures of respect the summit entails that brings additional significance to it.

Yep.

Which is it? Is it not protocol and a mistake, but also not a big deal, or is it the proper thing to do?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Frankly, it looked like Gen.No (Kwang Chol) was confused. I wouldn't be surprised if he were demoted or, uh, put out to pasture over his faux pas.

- Doc

[_Hawkeye]

You're going back to being ridiculous. Stop it. Initiating or returning a salute is a distinction without a difference. There was no reason to do it. None. If it were Obama, it would be political armageddon. The right-wing media lost their crap when Obama simply said he'd meet with Un.

Still waiting for you to point out how "illogical" I am. don't forget to shut the door behind you.