Fear: Trump in the White House

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House

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DarkHelmet wrote:Woodward is so well respected that when his book corroborates the same behavior that was documented in Wolfe and Omarosa's books, it brings new credibility to those books. Another explanation for the consistency in all these accounts is that it's a deep state conspiracy to bring down Trump.

Or maybe Woodward cite Wolfe and Omarosa.
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So if Woodward's book is accurate and there is truth in the volumes of outrageous claims by liberals and democrats....theeen... isn't this just tremendous cause for concern that the office of President is simply, and finally, titular?
If Trump is senile, deranged, dangerous, and inept then how has the executive branch accomplished anything (and yes it has)?... If Trump isn't doing the President thing then "President" isn't an actual function beyond football photo ops with Biden; late night talk shows; and Twitter.

Personally, this plays more like Woodward's retirement fund.
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Did anyone see how Leftists fell for the latest Twitterversy?

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/zina-ba ... 07809.html

"Who is Zina Bash? Woman behind Brett Kavanaugh at Supreme Court confirmation accused of flashing 'white power' hand gesture."

Lol. You just can't make this up. I mean, you can, and Leftists eat that shot up.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Did anyone see how Leftists fell for the latest Twitterversy?

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/zina-ba ... 07809.html

"Who is Zina Bash? Woman behind Brett Kavanaugh at Supreme Court confirmation accused of flashing 'white power' hand gesture."

Lol. You just can't make this up. I mean, you can, and Leftists eat that shot up.

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House

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subgenius wrote:If Trump is senile, deranged, dangerous, and inept then how has the executive branch accomplished anything (and yes it has)?... If Trump isn't doing the President thing then "President" isn't an actual function beyond football photo ops with Biden; late night talk shows; and Twitter.

Can he still sign his name?

That’s all that he has to do, but the action still carries some consequence.
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subgenius wrote:So if Woodward's book is accurate and there is truth in the volumes of outrageous claims by liberals and democrats....theeen... isn't this just tremendous cause for concern that the office of President is simply, and finally, titular?
If Trump is senile, deranged, dangerous, and inept then how has the executive branch accomplished anything (and yes it has)?... If Trump isn't doing the President thing then "President" isn't an actual function beyond football photo ops with Biden; late night talk shows; and Twitter.


Are you just now figuring out that one guy doesn't run the government?
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canpakes wrote:Can he still sign his name?


Probably. So long as no one takes the papers away from him.
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As sort of a coda to Woodward's book, the New York Times carried an essay from a senior member of the Trump administration that wished to remain anonymous. He said that while Trump had accomplished several good things during his Administration, they were in spite of and not because of his management style. Many of Trump's orders were left to quietly die.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.

I think if there is an epitaph to the Trump Presidency, it might be Character equals destiny. The ironic thing is that a lot of Christians were willing to overlook his imperfections because he represented certain of their causes, but there comes a point where you have to have some amount of character to be an effective President.

The author calls the actions of those trying to keep the President away from his most self destructive tendencies the 'sane' state instead of the 'deep' state.

Extraordinary is ordinary in 2018. But I took comfort in this:

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.

So I'm guessing the guy who wrote this isn't Stephen Miller...
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Looks like there's a new Deep Throat in town.
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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House

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From the NYT article.

Is anyone else alarmed by these quotes or is it just me?

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.


That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.


It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.


Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis.


There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first.


From Woodward's book:

Woodward describes "an administrative coup d'etat" and a "nervous breakdown" of the executive branch, with senior aides conspiring to pluck official papers from the president's desk so he couldn't see or sign them.

Under orders from the president, Porter drafted a notification letter withdrawing from NAFTA. But he and other advisors worried that it could trigger an economic and foreign relations crisis. So Porter consulted Cohn, who told him, according to Woodward: "I can stop this. I'll just take the paper off his desk."
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