Shuhada says all sripture points to Islam

[_Maxine Waters]

Does that include polygamy Res Ipsa?

[_Res Ipsa]

Does that include polygamy Res Ipsa?

You mean in the US? No, religions don't get a free pass to violate US law. So, in my opinion, the marriage laws should apply the same to Muslims as they do to the FLDS.

[_ajax18]

Would you be open to setting up zones in western countries where Islamic communities can practice Sharia law? Would refusing to do mean one is intolerant and Islamophobic?

[_Res Ipsa]

Would you be open to setting up zones in western countries where Islamic communities can practice Sharia law? Would refusing to do mean one is intolerant and Islamophobic?

The US? No. I also would not be in favor of setting up zones for Christian law, Jewish law, or Mormon law.

[_ajax18]

She's a nut, sort of like the Martha Nibley Beck of music.

Thank you. That's the only way I can make sense of it. Why would a woman convert to Islam?

[_EAllusion]

She's a nut, sort of like the Martha Nibley Beck of music.

Thank you. That's the only way I can make sense of it. Why would a woman convert to Islam?

One the one hand, yeah, O'Connor has had some very public meltdowns. She's also been a religious person in the public eye for her most of her life. It wouldn't be surprising if she found refuge in religious conversion, but we don't know enough about what's going on to say for sure. Celebrity doesn't entitle us to declare her a nutjob who resorted to a bold religious conversion as a balm.

On the other hand, lots of women convert to Islam and that in of itself isn't a sign of mental illness. Most religion has a problem with misogyny, including Christianity, and you're not here wondering what sort of mental illness makes a woman become a Christian. If you say, "not all Christianity," sure, but that's equally true of Islam and we don't particularly know what her beliefs are.

[_ajax18]

If you say, "not all Christianity," sure, but that's equally true of Islam and we don't particularly know what her beliefs are.

So in your view when it comes to women's rights and misogyny Christianity and Islam are at about the same level today?

[_EAllusion]

So in your view when it comes to women's rights and misogyny Christianity and Islam are at about the same level today?

No. I don't even think that level of comparison is helpful as it's more important to understand how specific sects practice their faith. My point is that lots of Christianity in practice involves misogyny and you probably rightly don't think a woman is mentally ill simply if she converts to Christianity. We're on a Mormon message board, for goodness sake. Are all female converts to Mormonism obviously "nutjobs?" because they willingly submit to Mormon patriarchy? Obviously, no. It's more complicated than that. One thing you might appreciate is that lots of women have internalized misogynist beliefs and converting to a patriarchal faith doesn't necessarily require a significant shift in their attitudes towards gender roles.

[_ajax18]

No. I don't even think that level of comparison is helpful as it's more important to understand how specific sects practice their faith.

I'm not arguing at this point. I'm just asking because I don't know. How is Islam governed? Exactly what sect did Sinead O'Connor join? Who makes the rules for that sect and what are they?

[_ajax18]

Are all female converts to Mormonism obviously "nutjobs?" because they willingly submit to Mormon patriarchy?

I don't really think Mormonism is misogynistic. You're not even allowed to talk about polygamy in church. True women don't get to be the prophet or in the quorum of the 12 but such a small percentage of people are in the church for that, it's not really an issue. The sacrifices of membership are if anything more difficult for men due to their strict stance on premarital and extramarital sex. Hence, you often see Mormon congregations in the mission field with 100 women and 20 men.