Buttigieg the smartest, Trump the dumbest

[_subgenius]

Having just finished reading Elizabeth Warren's book, A Fighting Chance, I have very little doubt about her intelligence, compassion, integrity and competence to wisely lead our country as President. It is one of the most inspiring books I have read. No reasonable and honest person familiar with her history and what she has accomplished ..

literally she haz accomplished nothing substantial except fraudulently getting a gig at Harvard....and why didn't ya bother to list any examples of these so-called Warren qualities?
Are you getting treatment for that brain tumor? because it degrading your cognitive abilities rather quickly.

[_subgenius]

Yes, lots of these public figures have been in situations requiring them to think on their feet in how to respond that you can observe....

You're a liar, youve seen none of that from any if them at anytime.

[_EAllusion]

Yes, lots of these public figures have been in situations requiring them to think on their feet in how to respond that you can observe....

You're a liar, youve seen none of that from any if them at anytime.

In your world, people who have gone on to become politicians and have recorded public speaking in informal and formal settings spanning decades never have done anything but give previously prepared comments in all interactions.

What an impossibly dumb world you live in. Sadly, you probably really think something approaching this and imagine yourself clever for seeing how things really are.

[_EAllusion]

Having just finished reading Elizabeth Warren's book, A Fighting Chance, I have very little doubt about her intelligence, compassion, integrity and competence to wisely lead our country as President. It is one of the most inspiring books I have read. No reasonable and honest person familiar with her history and what she has accomplished ..

literally she haz accomplished nothing substantial except fraudulently getting a gig at Harvard....and why didn't ya bother to list any examples of these so-called Warren qualities?
Are you getting treatment for that brain tumor? because it degrading your cognitive abilities rather quickly.

Warren won a scholarship to Georgetown when she was 16. She initially went there, but dropped out for her family. She later went back to school, and eventually got a JD from Rutgers. She then embarked on her academic career. Here's a brief Wiki of Warren's academic career:

Warren began her academic career as a lecturer at Rutgers University, Newark School of Law (1977–78). She then moved to the University of Houston Law Center (1978–83), where she became an associate dean in 1980 and obtained tenure in 1981. She taught at the University of Texas School of Law as visiting associate professor in 1981, and returned as a full professor two years later (staying from 1983 to 1987). She was also a visiting professor at the University of Michigan in 1985 and a research associate at the Population Research Center of the University of Texas at Austin in 1983–87.[44] During this period Warren also taught Sunday school.[12][45]

Warren's earliest academic work was heavily influenced by the law and economics movement, which aimed to apply neoclassical economic theory to the study of law with an emphasis on economic efficiency. One of her articles, published in 1980 in the Notre Dame Law Review, argued that public utilities were over-regulated and that automatic utility rate increases should be instituted.[46] But Warren soon became a proponent of on-the-ground research into how people respond to laws. Her work analyzing court records and interviewing judges, lawyers, and debtors, established her as a rising star in the field of bankruptcy law.[47] According to Warren and economists who follow her work, one of her key insights was that rising bankruptcy rates were caused not by profligate consumer spending but by middle-class families' attempts to buy homes in good school districts.[48] Warren worked in this field alongside colleagues Teresa A. Sullivan and Jay Westbrook, and the trio published their research in the book As We Forgive Our Debtors in 1989. Warren later recalled that she had begun her research believing that most people filing for bankruptcy were either working the system or had been irresponsible in incurring debts, but that she came to the conclusion that such abuse was in fact rare and that the legal framework for bankruptcy was poorly designed, describing the way the research challenged her fundamental beliefs as "worse than disillusionment" and "like being shocked at a deep-down level".[46]

Warren joined the University of Pennsylvania Law School as a full professor in 1987 and obtained an endowed chair in 1990, becoming the William A. Schnader Professor of Commercial Law. In 1992 she taught for a year at Harvard Law School as Robert Braucher Visiting Professor of Commercial Law. In 1995 Warren left Penn to become Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School.[44] As of 2011 she was Harvard's only tenured law professor who had attended law school at an American public university.[47] Warren was a highly influential law professor. Although she published in many fields, her expertise was in bankruptcy and commercial law. In that field, only Bob Scott of Columbia and Alan Schwartz of Yale were cited more often than Warren.[49][50]

From this, she's had various political posts related to her expertise in financial law until she was elected.

Seems kinda wordy when all that was needed was, "she haz accomplished nothing substantial except fraudulently getting a gig at Harvard"

Anyway, tell us more about how she fraudulently acquired her gig at Harvard.

[_EAllusion]

Warren did not, in fact, get a JD from Rutgers. Shades' filter just sucks.

[_moksha]

I am certainly curious a to how either the OP or you are able to determine the "smart"-ness of a candidate.

From listening to them speak. Some can talk about issues or recite ideas from past speeches. Some will ramble unless reading from a prepared text. Buttigieg can talk off-the-cuff in whole sentences and can be clearly understood.

I did not mean smartness and dumbness on an IQ test, but I suspect Buttigieg would land at the top by some margin and Trump would be alone at the bottom, but still within viewing distance of Beto O'Rourke's heels.

[Guest]

literally she haz accomplished nothing substantial except fraudulently getting a gig at Harvard....and why didn't ya bother to list any examples of these so-called Warren qualities?
Are you getting treatment for that brain tumor? because it degrading your cognitive abilities rather quickly.

You literally know nothing about her except for lies told about her by her GOP opponents, one of the worst of which is how she supposedly fraudulently got a "gig at Harvard." Contrary to what her opponents claimed, Elizabeth at no time in any applications to colleges or employment claimed any special status or consideration because of any supposed Native American ancestry, and all the institutions she attended or worked for verified that. She won scholarships and professorships based entirely on her outstanding academic merit.

Try reading her book and what she says about her history and accomplishments before you make any further unwarranted, unfavorable aspersions about her. One of her undeniably noteworthy accomplishments is her influence in establishing, despite fierce corporate obstruction, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which despite concerted efforts by
conservatives has succeeded in recovering many millions of dollars out of which consumers have been cheated by corrupt and deceptive banks and lending institutions.

I have no illusions, though, that you will even try to give her a fair shake and listen to anything other than what her corrupt, corporate owned opponents say about her. I utterly fail to understand why you so sycophantically support Trump!

[_EAllusion]

So Elizabeth Warren was recently viewed within her field as one of the foremost experts in bankruptcy law in the country. Subgenius's summation of that is to dismiss her as having accomplished nothing of note and to vaguely refer to his false belief that she only received her Harvard post due to being the beneficiary of affirmative action on a fabricated claim of Native American ancestry.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump has given dozens of interviews where he has betrayed himself as lacking an elementary school level understanding of a whole range of subjects. He struggles with rambling, stream of consciousness, somethings flat out gibberish comments to just get through the fact he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Subgenius's interpretation of these moments has been that Trump is playing some deeper game where this is actually brilliant political strategy to distract and deflect.

It's not enough to simply acknowledge that Warren is a bright, accomplished academic while disagreeing with her views. No, she must be a worthless hack who has earned nothing fairly. It's not enough to think Trump is a bit of a dullard, but believe his political instincts are better aligned with what's in the country's best interest. No, he's got to be playing a clandestine political game where his abject stupidity is a clever ruse.

It's an extreme partisan halo effect. Democrats have to be trash and Republicans have to be great. So reality gets contorted to match, no matter how ridiculous or pathetic it looks.

[_Gunnar]

Extremely well said, EA. So well said that I doubt that even subby can deny it without making himself look even more foolish than he already does. If his posts on this forum are in any way indicative of his cognitive ability and skills as a professional architect, I would not hire him to design even a doghouse!

[_canpakes]

EA said, "extemporaneous ability to speak intelligently on a variety of topics", and subbie reduced that to, "eloquence".

That about sums it up.

Now comes the reknown subs display of irony, making another appearance right on schedule.