What it Means to Call Yourself Republican

[_Some Schmo]

PomM (Schmo) -

Would it be fair to say that your opening post is meant more for folks that vote for those Republicans who appear to condone or promote racism, as opposed to a voter merely calling him/herself a ‘Republican’ in ideological terms?

That distinction still has some issues needing to be fleshed out, but it would be fairer to folks both inside and outside of the Republican Party as a whole.

Great question, canpakes. As I just intimated, my OP was emotionally inspired, and now I'm feeling the need to repeat over and over that I understand not all Republicans are racist.

But to your question, I'm mostly concerned with his actual voters, for sure, but the second part of your question is the part germane to the thread: what does it mean today, in 2019, to call yourself 'Republican' in ideological terms? One would think if the leaders of the GOP didn't want it to be racism, there'd be more of an internal struggle over it right now.

I suppose there could be a ton of people kidding themselves over this issue at the moment. They don't realize the perception that has been created. I'm sure many don't care.

[_Jersey Girl]

OK, so reading this back, I can see how it comes off harsh. It's clearly an exaggeration/generalization, making it a false statement. Mea culpa. It was a reaction to one of his recent tweets.

We all take a turn. I'll forgive you tomorrow.

;-)

[_subgenius]

It seems to me that if Trump says racist things, and GOP congressmen and senators don't say anything to disavow those comments, that's tacit admission the party stands for racism.

The old GOP is long gone. If you belong to this party, Trump's party, you condone racism. You no longer get a pass on it with the benefit of the doubt. There's no such thing as a "different kind of Republican" any more. Calling yourself Republican is standing with Trump, and standing with Trump is promoting racism. Period.

So, if a Democrat says antisemitic things....?

Personally, i would enjoy an opportunity to read your list of actual "racist" things that Trump has said while campaigning for, or after entering the office, of President.
doesn't have to be an exhaustive list...5 to 10 bona fide quotes would be sufficient, right?
Darn tha KKK sponsored Ellis Island award in 1986.

[_Bach]

I think what it means to be a conservative is:

One who would rather work hard and creat prosperity for those who can’t. So much so they have little time for social media and message boards.

The reality is that social media survives because all those who feel sorry for themselves, mostly because what they been taught/brought up with in the entitlement education of liberal education, most liberals don’t want to work. It’s much easier to spend all day on social media and complain about what they and the rest of the world don’t have!

We have the greatest economy in the world right now. For those who have any self confidence in themselves, it eliminates any reason why they would spend so much time on social media unless they were just bourn lazy.


[wonder if ea will ever let this get posted]

[_EAllusion]

Darn tha KKK sponsored Ellis Island award in 1986.

Does it every bother you that almost every single talking point you dredge up from right-wing media is dishonest? Like, does it occur to you if that if you have to constantly deceive to defend your positions, that maybe your positions don't have merit?

[_canpakes]

Darn tha KKK sponsored Ellis Island award in 1986.

“Trump was one of 87 people to be honored with the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986 for his successful work as a developer in New York City, not for his work within the black community.

...

Trump was honored because of his German heritage and his work as a developer.”

https://www.apnews.com/afs:Content:6348420521

[_subgenius]

Darn tha KKK sponsored Ellis Island award in 1986.

Does it every bother you that almost every single talking point you dredge up from right-wing media is dishonest? Like, does it occur to you if that if you have to constantly deceive to defend your positions, that maybe your positions don't have merit?

point being, not the award but the company he kept.... Ali, Parks, Jesse Jackson, etc, are all seemingly tolerant in their photographs with the company of a white supremist racist.
dude.

[_EAllusion]

I mean. There are a lot of anti-Trump Republicans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R ... l_campaign

I don't see why Republicans have to jump at the chance to prove they're not racists everytime Democrats accuse them of being racist. If that were the case, they'd never make landfall. On the flipside, if Democrats had to prove they're not Socialists every time Conservatives accused them of tongue kissing Marx they'd never be able to talk about anything else.

- Doc

Knowing how many people on that list have since caved is sad.

Anywho, there are very few anti-Trump Republicans. He has historically high approval among Republicans. Anti-Trump Republicans are a tiny niche that almost certainly outnumbered by all sorts of fringe groups we can name. I would lay down a healthy bet that Q-Anon believers outnumber anti-Trump Republicans. It just so happens that anti-Trump Republicans are massively overrepresented in the media because 1) established media members disproportionately come from the intellectual class Trump opponents are most likely to come from and 2) media outlets focused on editorial "balance" without a desire to employ straight villainous people at every conservative slot they have hedged by keeping on various anti-Trump Republicans. This can distort one's sense of how many there are.

If Trump goes down, the number of people claiming to have always been an anti-Trump Republican is going to skyrocket, though.

[_canpakes]

(insert pic of Trump near black guys)

Does it every bother you that almost every single talking point you dredge up from right-wing media is dishonest?

Dishonesty is sub’s thang.

[_EAllusion]

point being, not the award but the company he kept.... Ali, Parks, Jesse Jackson, etc, are all seemingly tolerant in their photographs with the company of a white supremist racist.
dude.

Nah, I think the point is that you decided to go with the "Trump isn't a racist because he won the Ellis award - the same award given to Rosa Parks!" talking point floating in right wing circles that is deeply misleading. But since you want to instead go with the "black friend" argument:

George Wallace had a number of black supporters; therefore, it's impossible to imagine George Wallace had any racist, or dare I say, white supremacist views. QED.