Trump Has Plan to BYPASS Election Results If He Loses

[_Dr Exiled]

I think the headline of the Atlantic article is somewhat misleading. Biden will perhaps contest the election as well as Trump might, given the right circumstances. Depending on what happens, both might have good cause to contest the election. Biden will make claims about election integrity just like Trump will probably do. I just hope Biden will not allow the Supreme Court to determine the election like weakling Gore did in 2000. He shouldn't have conceded as the Florida count would have given him the election had he pushed it.

[_Gunnar]

What do you mean by "rig?"

The main one is slowing down the mail-in ballots so many will not arrive on time to be counted. In past elections it was not an issue since most didn't use it and both sides probably used it about the same. This time we know democrats want to use it at much higher rates then republicans. Other rigging could be less polling stations to drive up wait times and people just going leaving. This one I believe is a state responsibility, but much of that is done to help Trump. The US does seem to have a lot more voter suppression going on compared to other western democracies these days.

Yes. There is an abundance of evidence that voter suppression and related under counting of votes, most typically of poor and minority voters, are a much bigger problem than deliberate voter fraud for the reasons you stated.

Greg Palast on voter purges and suppression:

Mr Palast has covered voter disenfranchisement for many years and his latest book How Trump Stole 2020: The Hunt For America’s Vanished Voters examines the myriad of methods being used to deprive millions of US citizens from exercising their franchise.

Mohamed Elmaazi: What exactly does it mean to be “purged from the voter rolls”?

Greg Palast: “Purge” – remove, erase, disappear, vanish or otherwise screw a voter out of their registration. It’s the main, stealth means of fixing elections.

Example: in 2000, Governor Jeb Bush of Florida ordered the purge of 94,000 voters from Florida rolls, calling them “felons” barred from voting. I obtained the purge list for the BBC and The Guardian. What I found is that not one voter purged was illegally registered but most were Black. The result, Jeb’s brother George Bush was elected President by 537 votes in Florida. In other words, without the illegal purge, Bush would not have been elected.

And today, the story is worse as The Purge has spread to pandemic proportions nationwide…

That despite these unfair purges in Florida (of which the one listed above is only the latest example), Andrew Gillum still came within 0.4 percentage points of defeating Ron DeSantis for Governor in 2018 is astounding! It's too bad for Florida that Gillum didn't win, given DeSantis' poor handling of the pandemic. Gillum could hardly have done much worse than DeSantis has done, so far.

[_ajax18]

That despite these unfair purges in Florida (of which the one listed above is only the latest example), Andrew Gillum still came within 0.4 percentage points of defeating Ron DeSantis for Governor in 2018 is astounding! It's too bad for Florida that Gillum didn't win, given DeSantis' poor handling of the pandemic. Gillum could hardly have done much worse than DeSantis has done, so far.

Florida has no state income tax. It's lost more tourism money than most states. Things are actually going pretty well in Florida now contrary to what one might think if he only watches CNN. Floridians would still be unemployed by force seeing their homes and cars repossessed if Gillum had won. He came very close to pulling that off.

If Biden wins this election I predict things will deteriorate pretty quickly across most of the country. I tend to think we're in the last days. I hope I look at this post in 2 years and everything is great with no sign of an apocalypse. I hope I'm wrong.

ETA: I should say if Kamala Harris wins this next election. What happens if Biden dies between now and Nov. 7?

[_Res Ipsa]

That despite these unfair purges in Florida (of which the one listed above is only the latest example), Andrew Gillum still came within 0.4 percentage points of defeating Ron DeSantis for Governor in 2018 is astounding! It's too bad for Florida that Gillum didn't win, given DeSantis' poor handling of the pandemic. Gillum could hardly have done much worse than DeSantis has done, so far.

Florida has no state income tax. It's lost more tourism money than most states. Things are actually going pretty well in Florida now contrary to what one might think if he only watches CNN. Floridians would still be unemployed by force seeing their homes and cars repossessed if Gillum had won. He came very close to pulling that off.

If Biden wins this election I predict things will deteriorate pretty quickly across most of the country. I tend to think we're in the last days. I hope I look at this post in 2 years and everything is great with no sign of an apocalypse. I hope I'm wrong.

ETA: I should say if Kamala Harris wins this next election. What happens if Biden dies between now and Nov. 7?

It is the last days, Ajax. But Jesus isn't coming to save you. Black and brown people are coming to give you health care.

[_MeDotOrg]

One thing I find hopeful is our military seems to have no interest in being a part of a Presidential Coup.

Richard Nixon lost the 1960 popular vote by 0.2%

Kennedy defeated Nixon when votes were finally counted in the Electoral College, by a margin of 303 to 219. But in the popular vote, Kennedy won by just 112,000 votes out of 68 million cast, or a margin on 0.2 percent.

So arguments persist to this day about vote-counting in two states, specifically Illinois (where Kennedy won by 9,000 votes) and Texas (where Kennedy won by 46,000 votes). If Nixon had won those two states, he would have defeated Kennedy by two votes in the Electoral College.

That fact wasn’t lost on Nixon’s supporters, who urged the candidate to contest the results. At the time, Kennedy was also leading in the critical state of California, which was Nixon’s home state. But a count of absentee ballots gave Nixon the state several weeks later, after he conceded it to Kennedy.

In Illinois, there were rampant rumors that Chicago’s Mayor Richard Daley used his political machine to stuff the ballot box in Cook County. Democrats charged the GOP with similar tactics in southern Illinois. Down in Texas, there were similar claims about the influence of Kennedy’s running mate, Lyndon B. Johnson, over that state’s election.

On Wednesday afternoon, November 9, 1960, Nixon officially conceded the election to Kennedy. He told his friend, journalist Earl Mazo, that “our country cannot afford the agony of a constitutional crisis.” (Mazo had written a series of articles about voter fraud after the 1960 election, which he stopped at Nixon’s request.)

Richard Nixon put the country above his personal ambition. Anybody think Trump would behave the same way?

Regardless of the outcome, I think the election is showing the limitations of the electoral college system. Expect to see movement towards a Constitutional Amendment before 2024.

[_Res Ipsa]

What do you mean by "rig?"

The main one is slowing down the mail-in ballots so many will not arrive on time to be counted. In past elections it was not an issue since most didn't use it and both sides probably used it about the same. This time we know democrats want to use it at much higher rates then republicans. Other rigging could be less polling stations to drive up wait times and people just going leaving. This one I believe is a state responsibility, but much of that is done to help Trump. The US does seem to have a lot more voter suppression going on compared to other western democracies these days.

The main one isn't working. The USPS settled a big case today. Ballots are super priority mail now. Republicans have been playing the inadequate voting machines in democratic precincts game for years. It's no different this year. There's an army of voters who will crawl over broken glass to vote Trump out of office. We didn't have that in 2016. Republicans suppress votes because they know they lose if everyone votes. They hitched their wagon to a dying base instead of taking their own very good advice in 2012 to actively expand their base. Us old, white boomers had it good -- there were so many of us. But we're dying off -- part of that shrinking, shrinking base.

All this frenetic activity -- Trump's over the top rhetoric, leaks from Barr's Justice Department, hysteria over massive voter fraud as evidenced by 9 spoiled ballots, $200 bribes to people on medicare -- means they're losing their grip. They know they're losing. You can smell it on them.

Trump can't rig an election where we turn out our base. There are too many of us. We need to remember that, because Republicans never stop thinking about it.

[_ajax18]

It is the last days, Ajax. But Jesus isn't coming to save you. Black and brown people are coming to give you health care.

To give me healthcare? LOL! Well maybe it will at least keep my medicaid mill booked out several weeks.

[_moksha]

Well maybe it will at least keep my medicaid mill booked out several weeks.

Jesus would keep Medicaid, but Trump has pledged to get rid of all social safety net programs.

[_Jersey Girl]

There's an army of voters who will crawl over broken glass to vote Trump out of office.

First, I want to thank you for every post you made today. I read them earlier in the day and they yanked me down off the ceiling. When you said "Remember who Trump is" that really brought me back to reality. I don't like the reality but I think you are correct. This isn't someone willing to actually go toe to toe or face to face. He is a chicken sh-it coward who pays people to do it for him.

With regard to crawling over broken glass. There are folks in my all mail-in state asking where the polling places are because in spite of the fact that our state is all mail-in voting, they want to show up to cast their vote in person to make damn sure it gets counted.

Thanks again for being the voice of reason and rational thought!

[_Jersey Girl]

ETA: I should say if Kamala Harris wins this next election. What happens if Biden dies between now and Nov. 7?

What happens if Trump dies between now and Nov 7?