Is the USA on the road to a dictatorship?

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Re: Is the USA on the road to a dictatorship?

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Trump is basically the tool of the Christian Right. He gets the votes and the power and glory, they get the policies. If you want to know what a plan toward dictatorship looks like just read project 2025, or watch any of hundreds of Trump pastors preach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxr_AQiEaU
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Re: Is the USA on the road to a dictatorship?

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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:43 pm
Please! The deep state will be in control regardless.
What you call "the deep state" is nothing more than the qualified, competent and indispensable professional, civil service functionaries, regardless of political party or ideology, hired on (ideally) a non-partisan basis to carry out the lawful, day-to-day functions and public services without which the entire government and economy would quickly and catastrophically collapse. Most of these government employees are rightly protected by Pendleton Act (1883)
from being arbitrarily and unfairly dismissed by selfish and highly partisan elected officials who wish to replace them, whenever possible, with unethical and/or incompetent political hacks loyal only to themselves, willing bend or break the law in their own favor. Trump wants to have the power to dismiss any government officials or employees not willing to even violate laws if it would somehow benefit Trump.
As I said I'll be voting Democrat.

Really? Do you promise? Does this mean you'll even vote for Biden?
I don't think Trump can fix the economy at this point'. . .
You certainly got that right! As we have tried to point out to you numerous times, by most measures the economy has significantly improved since the Biden Administration took over from the mess Trump left us with!
. . .and my vote could do more damage to the country than me actively taking up arms against it. Best of all, it's perfectly legal.
So, you actually want to damage the country? Or just the Biden administration and you think by voting for it, you will damage it? Does this mean that you would refuse to vote Democrat if you knew that doing so would actually help the country? My takeaway from this is that you hate Biden and democrats in general so much, that you would determinedly oppose their policies even if you knew for sure they would benefit the country, including you. Perhaps, even because you knew they would, because you can't bear the thought of them getting deserved credit for anything good. How irrational and hateful can you get?
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Re: Is the USA on the road to a dictatorship?

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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:07 pm
I told you. Government censorship of political speech, especially speech that turns out to be true, is a form of rigging an election. It's cheating. If you don't have free speech, you can't have democracy.
Endlessly repeating the many times thoroughly discredited assertion that the election was rigged does not add anything to its credibility except to thoroughly duped Trump sycophants who are obstinately committed to believing nothing else.
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The 10 most gerrymandered states are GOP states. The Democrats have won the popular vote in 2016 and 2020.
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This man is being sued for some tweets by Flynn for millions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8WUzowLMso

OMG US democracy is finished. The MAGA cult is not going to go away.
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I saw an interview by Fox with Trump where the interviewer asked if he would declassify any records 9/11 commission YES , JFK Files YES Epstein files yes, I think less so. (could see the panic in his eyes, This from a man who brags he can enter the dressing room of a Teen Beauty Contest he is running. )
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All the Trump pastors are bragging about Trump becoming a dictator. They either believe that the constitution is just a transparent proxy for the Bible, or that the constitution should be suspended and the Bible take its place. And no, they don't believe that we currently live in a dictatorship as Ajax says he does. Sure, they believe they are targets of the powers that be, but insisting we live in a dictatorship would be counterproductive. They want to believe that society is morally bankrupt, corrupt, filled with lust and sin, and living it up with impunity. There's no benefit to believing a woke dictator is forcing society to be woke. If that were the case, there is no intimidation with their threats. If Joe Biden is forcing me to be woke, then who cares if he's overturned and the next guy forces me to be Christian? No, Christian nationalists like Ajax and Trump pastors need to believe that society is basically free, having a good time and freely choosing sin and evil and giving God the finger, so that when Trump comes into power with a Bible and a sword, there is something to take away. They relish the thought of taken our freedom away and making us be chaste, or go to church or whatever constitutes submitting to their will.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Yeah watch this. They're talking about what Trump would do if he returned to office. Why? Because he already did it to Cohen. I learned something new here about the Cohen case and it's scary. Run time 15 minutes and change.

'No one is safe': Cohen’s chilling warning about Trump’s threats of retaliation against Democrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAtytQgIqBw
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Gadianton wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:29 pm
Trump is basically the tool of the Christian Right. He gets the votes and the power and glory, they get the policies. If you want to know what a plan toward dictatorship looks like just read project 2025, or watch any of hundreds of Trump pastors preach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxr_AQiEaU
Who will be his choice of VP?
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:03 am
ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:07 pm
I told you. Government censorship of political speech, especially speech that turns out to be true, is a form of rigging an election. It's cheating. If you don't have free speech, you can't have democracy.
Endlessly repeating the many times thoroughly discredited assertion that the election was rigged does not add anything to its credibility except to thoroughly duped Trump sycophants who are obstinately committed to believing nothing else.
Some find truth to be a hard thing.
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