Clueless Democrats Blaming Biden

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ceeboo wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:56 am
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Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:17 am

I don't question their stupidity,
Considering that you're talking about 72,978,296 American citizens, you probably should question it. Given this fairly large number of people, do you think there might be at least a few dozen people, out of the 93 million people, that aren't stupid?
I used to hope and fervently believe that the vast majority of Americans are basically rational and decent people, but the results of the last election has seriously weakened that hope and belief. There is nothing rational or encouraging about the fact that we Americans have voted back into the Whitehouse a convicted felon, a rapist, a known pathological liar, an adulterer who cheated on all three of his wives, a racial and religious bigot, who admires undoubtedly cruel dictators such as Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un and Vicor Orban, etc., and who instigated an insurrection to overturn a lawful and free election. I am amazed that a even a basically good and decent person like you can somehow fail to see that the man has virtually no redeeming or admirable qualities whatsoever!

That infamous Access Hollywood tape alone, in which he boasted of grabbing random women by their genitals, should have been enough to cause you to absolutely oppose this reprobate!
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ceeboo wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:56 am
Gunnar wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:17 am

I don't question their stupidity,
Considering that you're talking about 72,978,296 American citizens, you probably should question it. Given this fairly large number of people, do you think there might be at least a few dozen people, out of the 93 million people, that aren't stupid?
No, some of them are ignorant, belligerent, and/or insane.
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ceeboo wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:56 am
Gunnar wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:17 am

I don't question their stupidity,
Considering that you're talking about 72,978,296 American citizens, you probably should question it. Given this fairly large number of people, do you think there might be at least a few dozen people, out of the 93 million people, that aren't stupid?
Yes, of course! Those who didn't vote for Trump!
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Gunnar wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:21 am
There is nothing rational or encouraging about the fact that we Americans have voted back into the Whitehouse a convicted felon, a rapist, a known pathological liar, an adulterer who cheated on all three of his wives, a racial and religious bigot, who admires undoubtedly cruel dictators such as Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un and Vicor Orban, etc., and who instigated an insurrection to overturn a lawful and free election.
Have you noticed nobody has ever defended their vote in light of this? They just gloss over it, ignore it, or handwave it away with Well I don't really like him either... As though that were an adequate defense for saddling the rest of the country with this damned incompetent, rapist, lying asshole.

Of course all 70+ million Trump voters are damned stupid. Voting for Trump is the clearest indicator you are incurably stupid.
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Gunnar wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:33 am
I think it probable that another important factor in Kamala's loss is that she and her campaign might have gone overboard with the negative ads. The Lincoln Project ads were particularly harsh, and tended to emphasize the stupidity, dishonesty and cluelessness of Trump and by implication the Republicans who voted for him. Taking offense at seeming to be characterized as stupid probably caused a lot of pushbacks among a significant number of these voters and only made some of them to double down on voting for him who otherwise might not have. Perhaps this is why 94% of Republican voters voted for Trump. Would fewer of them have voted for Trump again if they hadn't felt unfairly belittled or targeted by the virtual firehose of negative ads?
The more I think about it, the less I know what would have changed anything. I guess the government could have allowed Trump's criminality to go un-prosecuted, thereby not turning him into a folk hero. Here's the thing: We voted generally in accordance with our beliefs and values. It just turns out that most Americans don't share them. Whatever happens next, or whatever adjustments the Democratic Party makes, won't change the fact that we are in the minority when it comes to our beliefs and values.

I also think we should take the majority seriously when they vote as they do. Whatever they may say, it turns out that they don't care about the rule of law or the Constitution. They just want to be left alone, without someone standing over them scolding them, to work themselves to the bone while they gamble on becoming rich. They want to tell women what to do with their bodies. They want an end to feminism. They want states to be free to violate human rights. They want corporations to have unfettered freedom to do whatever they want, regardless of the cost that has for the health of the people or the survival of the species.
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Hey Kish
Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:38 pm
I also think we should take the majority seriously when they vote as they do. Whatever they may say, it turns out that they don't care about the rule of law or the Constitution.
Stating such a thing might increase your chances of coming to terms with the election results, but is your statement true? Is your statement factual? Might I suggest something that could possibly blow your mind? I would suggest that there were thousands of voters, in this recent election, that placed "the rule of law or the Constitution" as very high priorities, and that is precisely why they voted Trump. You need not agree, but it might be wise to consider if this is true, and if it is, why some people believe it to be true.
They just want to be left alone, without someone standing over them scolding them, to work themselves to the bone while they gamble on becoming rich. They want to tell women what to do with their bodies. They want an end to feminism. They want states to be free to violate human rights. They want corporations to have unfettered freedom to do whatever they want, regardless of the cost that has for the health of the people or the survival of the species.
Again, I understand why people choose to point fingers - shift the blame - try presenting reasons that can explain the results, but I must encourage you to at least consider another possibility that could explain such a landslide political loss to a party (Huge electoral number win - popular vote win - Senate seats win - House (probable) win) - Perhaps, the reason/reasons can be found within the party itself. Maybe?
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ceeboo wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:28 pm
Stating such a thing might increase your chances of coming to terms with the election results, but is your statement true? Is your statement factual? Might I suggest something that could possibly blow your mind? I would suggest that there were thousands of voters, in this recent election, that placed "the rule of law or the Constitution" as very high priorities, and that is precisely why they voted Trump. You need not agree, but it might be wise to consider if this is true, and if it is, why some people believe it to be true.
I don't agree, but I am open to considering how what you say reflects some sort of reality.
Again, I understand why people choose to point fingers - shift the blame - try presenting reasons that can explain the results, but I must encourage you to at least consider another possibility that could explain such a landslide political loss to a party (Huge electoral number win - popular vote win - Senate seats win - House (probable) win) - Perhaps, the reason/reasons can be found within the party itself. Maybe?
I don't exempt the Democrats from blame for losing. Didn't for Hillary. I do not, on the other hand, cater my idea of what is prudent to popular vote.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2024 3:57 am
We Democrats have perfected the arts of handwringing and the circular firing squad. It’s part of our charm.
Is the circular firing squad a ratcheting up of shooting ourselves in the foot?
:lol:

(And sadly: "A ratchet is a mechanical device that allows continuous linear or rotary motion in only one direction while preventing motion in the opposite direction..." Wiki.)
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:09 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2024 3:57 am
We Democrats have perfected the arts of handwringing and the circular firing squad. It’s part of our charm.
Is the circular firing squad a ratcheting up of shooting ourselves in the foot?
:lol:

(And sadly: "A ratchet is a mechanical device that allows continuous linear or rotary motion in only one direction while preventing motion in the opposite direction..." Wiki.)
I think that’s fair. :lol:
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Re: Clueless Democrats Blaming Biden

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Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:53 am
Gunnar wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:21 am
There is nothing rational or encouraging about the fact that we Americans have voted back into the Whitehouse a convicted felon, a rapist, a known pathological liar, an adulterer who cheated on all three of his wives, a racial and religious bigot, who admires undoubtedly cruel dictators such as Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un and Vicor Orban, etc., and who instigated an insurrection to overturn a lawful and free election.
Have you noticed nobody has ever defended their vote in light of this? They just gloss over it, ignore it, or handwave it away with Well I don't really like him either... As though that were an adequate defense for saddling the rest of the country with this damned incompetent, rapist, lying asshole...
I said I didn't vote for a convicted rapist and a Trump supporter quickly corrected me "No! he wasn't convicted of rape!" No, he was 'just' found liable for "sexually abusing and defaming" a woman. As though that is so much better than saying 'convicted rapist'.
Reuter's:
Donald Trump cannot argue to a jury assessing damages at the writer E. Jean Carroll's upcoming defamation trial that he did not rape her in the mid-1990s, based on another jury having found that he only sexually abused her, a U.S. judge has ruled.

... U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan in Manhattan ...said the jury's finding that Trump forcibly and without consent penetrated Carroll's vagina made her rape claim "substantially true under common modern parlance," even if it did not fit the definition of rape under New York law.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/Trump-can ... 024-01-08/
We have an incoming president who bragged: "Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything."

The glossing over that and his multiple, unrelenting statements about many, many other groups of people is sickening. How can a person vote for such a blatant bigot?
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