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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:52 am
I have a clear understanding of progressives and recognize that they played a huge role in the Democrats' loss in the election. Progressives and their Marxist ideas are driving American men of all skin colors to join the Republican party in large numbers. Progressivism is fueled by animosity, and men have grown weary of being targeted simply for their gender. Progressives seem to misunderstand that uplifting women requires collaboration rather than undermining men, and as a result, men are beginning to respond by supporting Republican candidates. When a political movement like the progressive movement expresses disdain for masculinity, targets white individuals for their race, criticizes western civilization, perceives the land they inhabit as stolen, rejects God, and embraces hatred as a core aspect of their identity, individuals will inevitably become weary of engaging with such ineffective groups.

Many individuals aspire to lead a joyful and meaningful life, yet Progressivism does not equate to happiness or fulfillment.
As you just proved by this post, Huckleberry is right. You have no real understanding of progressives, nor even of Marxism, if you think the two are equivalent.
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Re: I Love America!

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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:36 pm
Whatever the case, it’s clear you’ve got a special kind of retarded charm.
Hound,

You ought to consider not using the term "retarded" as a personal insult to disparage someone - Among other things, it ignores the real and significant challenges that many people face who have this intellectual disability (as well as the many people who love those with this disability.)

Keeping it real.
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Re: I Love America!

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:32 am
ceeboo wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:51 pm
I agree 100%.

Thank you for being willing to write that post.
What do you think about what's happening in Gaza? What do you think about Tulsi Gabbard saying in March that there wasn't a nuclear weapon program in Iran and her about face when Israel wanted to attack Iran? What about what Marjorie Taylor-Greene says about Trump failing MAGA by going against his no war campaign promises? Do you have a problem with Israel and AIPAC having an outsized influence on our foreign policy or do you think that is a thing? Would you like it if China decided that our government was corrupt and a danger to their way of life and then started bombing when we wouldn't give up our nukes? I'd also like to know if you believe that God wants us to support Israel no matter what they do. Finally, do you think our toppling of the Iranian government back in 1954 and installing the Shah and his murderous secret police because they wanted to keep the oil instead of letting the British and us to continue to exploit their resources has anything to do with why Iran isn't bowing down to our empire?
Hey Dr. E,

I am going to pass on most of the questions you are asking me. Perhaps over a cup of coffee, face to face, I would be willing to have these discussions - Not here though.

I will offer a few short opinions relating to your question asking me if I believe that God wants us to support Israel no matter what they do.

Biblical Isreal (a chosen people) is not the same thing as the modern nation state of Israel that began in 1948. Many of my beloved and sincere Christian brethren, directly because of a very modern theological framework called dispensationalism, has attached themselves to modern day Israel. So much so that they use modern events in the region to suggest end time prophecy and they use this to promote a third temple to be built in Israel. This novel idea (dispensationalism) that no ECF's ever mentioned, is completely absent during the first 1900 years or so of Christianity's birth. It is, unfortunately in my opinion, an American (mostly) recent evangelical construct - Something we evangelicals ought to own.

In addition: The Biblical promises made to Israel (A people) has nothing to do with the modern nation state of Israel. Biblical passages (Old and New Testament) speak clearly that these promises (inheritances) are for those who are in Christ. Believing Jews (like the first several thousand Christians) and believing gentiles, who have been grafted into the olive branch of Israel.

Having said that: I do support Israel, and their right to exist. The elephant in the room (which many don't seem to want to discuss) is what Radical Islamists want to see happen to Israel (Jews) and America (Westerners).
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:54 pm
I am going to pass on most of the questions you are asking me.
Talking about Donald Trump and MAGA in the context of recent events is evidently a matter of extreme delicacy, certainly not to be done in public, or so it seems.

Why, I wonder?
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:54 pm
Having said that: I do support Israel, and their right to exist. The elephant in the room (which many don't seem to want to discuss) is what Radical Islamists want to see happen to Israel (Jews) and America (Westerners).
I think we all agree that Israel has a right to exist, unless there are real anti-Semites among us. I also think we understand full well what radical Islamic fundamentalists want to happen to Israel and America. The questions we disagree on and wrestle with regard the best way to deal with these issues.
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Re: I Love America!

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Chap wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:29 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:54 pm
I am going to pass on most of the questions you are asking me.
Talking about Donald Trump and MAGA in the context of recent events is evidently a matter of extreme delicacy, certainly not to be done in public, or so it seems.

Why, I wonder?
You need not wonder any longer - I am here to help.

I passed because I do not believe this board promotes good-faith discussion - It hasn't in many years - (generally speaking - there are always exceptions). It has become an insane asylum for ideological bullies to terrorize, insult, and castigate anyone who dares to hold opinions contrary to those that have been approved of by the mob of self-proclaimed enlightened folks, self-assigned as highly educated folks, and a gang of completely intolerant humans that have elevated themselves to think extremely highly of themselves.

Hope that was helpful.
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:51 pm
You need not wonder any longer - I am here to help.

I passed because I do not believe this board promotes good-faith discussion - It hasn't in many years - (generally speaking - there are always exceptions). It has become an insane asylum for ideological bullies to terrorize, insult, and castigate anyone who dares to hold opinions contrary to those that have been approved of by the mob of self-proclaimed enlightened folks, self-assigned as highly educated folks, and a gang of completely intolerant humans that have elevated themselves to think extremely highly of themselves.

Hope that was helpful.
And yet you hang out here.

I don't believe that people are one-dimensional, and I don't see people behaving in a one-dimensional way on this board. Sometimes it takes arguing through the unpleasantness to see that people are more complicated than we sometimes give them credit for, but each of us is a flawed person with good points and bad points at the end of the day. Some people do make it harder to find their good points because of the persona they have adopted here, true.
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Ceeboo wrote:I agree 100%.
It's too bad you didn't predict Trump would start a war with Iran and jail Senators and judges rather than end the war in Ukraine and pardon Hunter Biden.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Re: I Love America!

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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:38 pm
I’m sharing this picture because in a few months, when Iran has embraced the royal family once again and democracy is granted to the Iranian people, this photo will hold significant importance for remembrance.
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Re: I Love America!

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:11 pm
Ceeboo wrote:I agree 100%.
It's too bad you didn't predict....
Adorable that you would bring up predictions. Do you recall this prediction I made on Oct 24, 2024?

Predictions - 2024 Election
Post by ceeboo » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:33 am

With about two weeks left, what are your predictions?

Mine: Trump wins the electoral college fairly easily (300 plus) and Trump, for the first time in a long time, wins the national majority vote (by a fairly slim margin)

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In part - Here was your prediction:

Re: Predictions - 2024 Election
Post by Gadianton » Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:27 pm

Odds of Trump winning the general, .001

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Too bad your brain has been completely broken by severe TDS - I can help you free your mind from the bondage it's in, but it would take a significant amount of time and effort on my end to do so. Let me know if you're interested.
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